On its dying breath, <Criot> cries enough to turn blue into Dice simulator 2022

[eisley]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vanq/freedom/am whatever you want to call those same people cheated in fear cheated in pog and cheat all the time by intentionally training any and all guilds next to them. It obviously doesn’t bother them and theres next to no deterrent. Why not also cheat the races and everything else?

I've raided quite a bit in this game, including with both Riot and Vanquish, and I've never in my life seen either one intentionally train the other. When you've got 200 people in the same area, things turn into a shitshow pretty quick. During a Velk a few months back Riot got the engage and a couple minutes later like the entire zone was trained on us. Possibly the biggest train I've seen in my life, it was impressive. And most incredibly, no one saw it coming. Usually someone is watching, and you'd hear "uh hey guys the entire zone is coming."

Back in the day, the guild who got the engage would just concede in this scenario, since they were the ones to start combat. But there was no way to determine who started that train, and it was almost certainly not intentional. Most trains are accidents or fuckups. I've trained Aftermath on accident before and it's not a good feeling.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Races are worth preserving. Both sides should want them.

If Riot wanted races, they wouldn't have started scripting them as "proof" that Vanquish was scripting.

This whole thing has been a farce so that their guild can continue to get SOMETHING out of their massive DKP hoard. I'm surprised so many regular members are sticking around to get loot just for the officers who implemented new ridiculous loot requirements that start tomorrow, but a lot have already left to join Vanquish or just chosen to go guildless.

We'll see what tomorrow brings when their new loot rules go into effect.

[eisley]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Deflect! Deny! Project! I love your motto

Wouldn't you agree all sides are guilty of this? There's little civility. That's why I tried to make a measured, thoughtful post. An elf dissertation.

Going down this path is bad for all parties involved. People in other guilds are just people behind a keyboard just like you. They just want to enjoy the game just like you.

Even the reductio ad absurdum solution of legalizing scripting is a vastly superior option to /random in my eyes. There has to be a better way.

[eisley]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We'll see what tomorrow brings when their new loot rules go into effect.

Sorry, can you expand on this? I haven't logged on much the past few months. What are the new loot rules going into effect?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Riot wanted races, they wouldn't have started scripting them as "proof" that Vanquish was scripting.

This whole thing has been a farce so that their guild can continue to get SOMETHING out of their massive DKP hoard. I'm surprised so many regular members are sticking around to get loot just for the officers who implemented new ridiculous loot requirements that start tomorrow, but a lot have already left to join Vanquish or just chosen to go guildless.

We'll see what tomorrow brings when their new loot rules go into effect.

Pretty sure Riot scripted to bring staff attention onto it to make Vanquish stop scripting. I doubt their goal was to get races turned off; their goal was to have the staff make Vanquish stop cheating. The staff then took the easier route which was just to eliminate races altogether (and I don't blame them, they're volunteers).

Also, that wasn't the only proof. Vanquish had videos up of how to script, including for races lol. They were quickly deleted once they were flagged to the staff.

[Tunabros]

the cheating is so obvious that it's halarious

[Chortles Snortles]

nii saaaaaaan!!!!!!!

[Arvan]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've raided quite a bit in this game, including with both Riot and Vanquish, and I've never in my life seen either one intentionally train the other. When you've got 200 people in the same area, things turn into a shitshow pretty quick. During a Velk a few months back Riot got the engage and a couple minutes later like the entire zone was trained on us. Possibly the biggest train I've seen in my life, it was impressive. And most incredibly, no one saw it coming. Usually someone is watching, and you'd hear "uh hey guys the entire zone is coming."

Back in the day, the guild who got the engage would just concede in this scenario, since they were the ones to start combat. But there was no way to determine who started that train, and it was almost certainly not intentional. Most trains are accidents or fuckups. I've trained Aftermath on accident before and it's not a good feeling.

I have multiple videos of either necros or monks coming seeing us on top of a ramp, stopping for a second, then coming all the way into our camp and then fding. You can call it unintentional or a lone actor or whatever but it happens a lot. Not sure what else to tell ya.

[hobart]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the point is that Aftermath's refusal to give up, their competitive drive led by Detoxx, was very admirable. He was passionate. If he delivered my pizza, I'd tip him very well.

He'd eat half your pizza on the drive over.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have multiple videos of either necros or monks coming seeing us on top of a ramp, stopping for a second, then coming all the way into our camp and then fding. You can call it unintentional or a lone actor or whatever but it happens a lot. Not sure what else to tell ya.

Why not submit that to the staff then? They will suspend or ban them