WW3

[Knowledge]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He will face justice in the next life, hopefully he receives it in this one as well

He's going to Hell. Center of the sun.

[Lemonhead]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So like Donbas, Luhansk and Odessia (speeling is bad or russian) is kinda 1/3rd of Ukraine or 1/3 the size of Texas. If the Russians only moved into those two or three regions tho without going after all of Ukraine that would have been a really bad strategic move and would make it easier for insurgents to keep coming into those areas from the west and destabilizing those regions and border there.

If you think about it, probably even prior to 2014, like even 2012 or 10 even those areas where economic deadzones because of the unique history and demographic situation that Jibartik illustrated prior. Especially with a cool professor video if you dig that out you'll really see what I'm talking about.

Now, "NATO" really wanted to solve this problem, and Russia forever had pretty much been nononono let Russia do it for u. This region is really important to russia cuz half these guys are practically russia. So. There is a legitimate casus bellius or however riewa says that word.

I remember the state of the Balkan states from my national geographics in the 80s and 90s. It has been really interesting. I feel like the media is inflating Russian "cruelty" on this one too. They could have gone in a lot harder initially. They did give civvies a lot of time to evac. And and they are taking heavier casualties themselves over that instead of just going in and doing the Iraq Kuwait highway of death thing the U.S. did.

This could have probably worked itself out in the long run in a sort of mutually beneficial way without a war and occupation. Who knows tho. Covid ate everyones brains and I'm pretty sure Putin is just 1 speed only. He is pretty old and KGB trained. So the bandaid came off. Who knows maybe he's thinking "holy shit this is actually working sort of." And he was totally ready to lose every asset engaged there. So it's like a bonus we've all made it this far.

I know Ukraine doesn't want to be occupied or Russia, and it should have stayed super Ukrainian with Ukrainian spellings and stuff. This IS what happened tho. And it could have been Hella worse right off the bat.

Anyone know how the Ukrainian defense is fairing? Any speculation on if they have a chance? Can do more damage? Retaliate? Their staying power? I'm sorta cheering for them. Not if it's going to drag on for 50 years tho and be forever hella miserable. Ideally they sorta pretty much win and sort it out with a more diplomatically receptive Russia that chills out some. Tho. I really honestly don't think that's is in the cards.

I saw three outcomes I thought I would tweak a bit more in favor of Ukraine some. Where russia gets most of all of Ukraine, half of Ukraine, or just the regions they cases belli over and a strip of coast between odessia and donbas and crimea.

Yah, this is certainly deeper than we understand here, in the far west. I really anticipate a fall back and probably insurgency. But I have no idea. Kiev is way too close to russia for holding of the capital. I mean, they secured chernobyl. That's a skip to kiev. So, idk how russian kiev is. But insurgencies work. Very well. I mean, you can literally beat the greatest military (economically) ever. As almost nothing compared. So maybe Ukraine has the will. It really is up to the will.

[Knowledge]

War is not about will its about technology and manpower. It is man-made, and has no supernatural power to rule by will.

[starkind]

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https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...ghost_of_kiev/

Maybe?!

[Lemonhead]

Originally Posted by Knowledge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

War is not about will its about technology and manpower. It is man-made, and has no supernatural power to rule by will.

Umm, so the Taliban won how? And don't be silly. They won, hands down.

Edit: and of course, you aren't going to win a war of occupation without severe over-power. But Ukraine ain't Russia and will probably never be. It takes multiple generations to truly overtake

[starkind]

A lot of people are asking this right now. https://imgur.com/gallery/3mvO45p

Kinda interasting.

[Gravydoo II]

nuclear maintenance programs are a HUGE cost.. the bombs are not that expensive, its the delivery systems. To have some obsolete missile setup draining their economy everyone knows about and can shoot down is not worth having. So they give it up.

[starkind]

I kinda agree. I would have invested more in defense. Going forward automated drones seem like they'd be a fun yet equally devastating alternative to nukes. So decentralized hacking 1 isn't all that effective. And if you're just firebombing or destroying everything the logic doesn't need to be terribly complex. Just set up a node then say "kill vehicles", "kill faces". Fire and forget.

Much better alternative to radiation.

Could even make them solar and simply kinetic. I'm pretty sure we can make some nasty "fireflies" that can just activate, hover up pretty high and dart in from altitude.

Can even give them a sleep mode so they just snooze until some vibration reactivated them. Way worse than mines, ooof.

Man I hope either side doesn't go super crazy with mines or something like that.

[Patriam1066]

We should send 10000 stingers and 10000 javelins to Ukraine

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We should send 10000 stingers and 10000 javelins to Ukraine

we should just say, alright fuck this, enough of this shit and all you uppity bastards in the world, then engage anyone who ever looked at us the wrong way with great prejudice.

ALL war-game think tanks have the "U.S. vs The World" either fighting to a U.S. victory, or a draw. In no war-game scenario does the U.S. lose.

I would play those odds.

really fucking tired of everyone's tiny little problems becoming issues for the rest of the world.

Shut up and go home or Die.