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Old 02-14-2022, 01:54 PM
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The only scarce resource is human love and empathy. We continue to convince ourselves and to convince others that it is OK for us to be vile, to have more than we need and still withhold from the people that aren't able to "succeed" in the inhuman meat grinder we call present day civilization.

The sci fi show LEXX had civilization figured out lol I thought it was a good gag at the time but yep.
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Old 02-14-2022, 01:55 PM
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Funny that for some reason when we turned against Christianity in this country and became secular.

That stuff started happening.

Gosh I wonder what they mean when they said capitalism cannot work without Christian values?

OH YEA!!

Democrat policy.
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Old 02-14-2022, 01:58 PM
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Funny that for some reason when we turned against Christianity in this country and became secular.

That stuff started happening.

Gosh I wonder what they mean when they said capitalism cannot work without Christian values?

OH YEA!!

Democrat policy.
Religious Dems are mostly Catholic so this rhetoric is historically consistent. 👍
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Old 02-14-2022, 01:58 PM
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Funny that for some reason when we turned against Christianity in this country and became secular.

That stuff started happening.

Gosh I wonder what they mean when they said capitalism cannot work without Christian values?

OH YEA!!

Democrat policy.
They had it backwards, capitalism is fundamentally incompatible with Christian values
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Old 02-14-2022, 02:01 PM
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What I have observed is that our present morality is that Wealth = righteousness.

Watched david letterman interview kim kardashian talking about how great she is and I thought I was in some kinda nightmare twilight zone episode.

Walk into a store wearing button up shirt and get treated like a special customer and expert shopper. Walk into same store wearing t shirt and sneakers and get treated like a burgler.

Walk into the same store black and get treated like a burgler unless very obviously rich and then you get the special expert shopper treatment again.

Have a complaint when you're poor, your complaint is because you're dumb and made bad choices so therefore invalid.

Have a complaint when you're rich, your complaint is dumb because you're a hypocrite. (and honestly you probably are out of touch with reality but hey maybe not).

Scary times pals
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Old 02-14-2022, 02:03 PM
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I really hate how kids fuck that up robayon.

I know thats what the 1990s told you but thats just an edgelord take.

Try explaining to me how fearing damnation, and donating your money, makes people inherently evil?

Then try to explain to me why every single horrible thing that has happened to Americans in this country was at the hands of crippling economic hardships put on them by a secularist.

Catholics are agents of satan so please wake up reiewa. Im talking about Christianity, not a pagan corporation.

WAKE UP PEOPLE

god is the only thing that stops people from hurting each other. It's not what stops ME... but it's what stops the fat guy who owns you.
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Old 02-14-2022, 02:03 PM
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They had it backwards, capitalism is fundamentally incompatible with Christian values
Laws and systems do not dictate values. The values themselves need to be actually held and held truly for the individuals claiming to have them to not torture the shit out of eachother and leave eachother for dead.

When you're a walking husk of a gutted soulless legalist embarrassment of a religion that makes God look like trash you can expert bad times.

That Christianity can't glue any society together, and no genius concoction of a government system is capable of neutralizing what is our greatest challenge, our own evil.

There is a reason Jesus didn't lay out a recipe for governing humans in a form of a government structure etc. He gave the actual only correct answer which is to love your neighbor as yourself, and to love God. All systems fail when we don't love eachother. Sorry for the bad news, you can't blame anything except each and every one of eachother and the only way to fix it is not to put eachother in more prisons but to love.
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Old 02-14-2022, 02:05 PM
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Morality is not enough to stop a moral person hiding while a classroom full of children are shot when they could have done something to stop it.

Heaven would. Heaven would encourage him to help those children.

Secularism is satanism and everything that hurts you is a result of our abandonment of god. Not making your bed.
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Old 02-14-2022, 02:10 PM
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Catholics are agents of satan so please wake up reiewa. Im talking about Christianity, not a pagan corporation.
Put on ur robe and grand wizard hat.
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Old 02-14-2022, 02:11 PM
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Laws and systems do not dictate values. The values themselves need to be actually held and held truly for the individuals claiming to have them to not torture the shit out of eachother and leave eachother for dead.

When you're a walking husk of a gutted soulless legalist embarrassment of a religion that makes God look like trash you can expert bad times.
The problem with this take is that it overlooks the good works wrought in many places by the faithful of any particular religion. Christianity in general might be the most glaring example of a corrupted faith system, but that is partly because it was used to enable some of history's bloodiest monsters via European and American colonialism and development.

There are plenty of exceptions, though, at least in individual levels

I've said this before but I'd be fine with the type of capitalism Adam Smith laid out, but that isn't what we have now
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