Canadian Freedom Convoys

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by walfreyydo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your premise is flawed: no one "wants" to work at McDonalds their whole life making $12/hr. They simply have no options to improve their own well-being, and the left is the only party trying to change that.

What party is advocating $15/hr for that worker? What party is trying to make a 2 yr college degree the standard?

It certainly isnt the GOP, and as a matter of fact, the GOP and their big business allies are the ones using scare tactics to say that $15/hr is too hard of a burden on business owners, or will raise the price of a Big Mac by $0.50.

Smoke and mirrors dude, people gotta see through it

You can’t know what all people want. If you are going to suppose what they want then I can as well, I can suppose they want to work where they are because it’s familiar and comfortable and doesn’t require any extra effort learning a skill or going to school. I can suppose they don’t like school and don’t want to do it

I can even suppose that some people don’t want to work at all. There’s millions of people on Reddit who have said as much

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by walfreyydo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your premise is flawed: no one "wants" to work at McDonalds their whole life making $12/hr. They simply have no options to improve their own well-being, and the left is the only party trying to change that.

What party is advocating $15/hr for that worker? What party is trying to make a 2 yr college degree the standard?

It certainly isnt the GOP, and as a matter of fact, the GOP and their big business allies are the ones using scare tactics to say that $15/hr is too hard of a burden on business owners, or will raise the price of a Big Mac by $0.50.

Smoke and mirrors dude, people gotta see through it

Originally Posted by walfreyydo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And no, keeping the minimum wage at $7.50/hr is not fair. The policies of the left are whole-heartedly behind developing a minimum standard of living, while also promoting education and development of human capital.

Are we now trying to conflate that belief with communism or some socialized "everyone should make the same amount of money regardless of education and development of high demand skillsets"?

There is some grim comedy in Conservatives suddenly championing workers' rights the moment they hoist a swastika flag. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[rebeccablack]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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say what you want about this guy, at least he took a stand

[walfreyydo]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can’t know what all people want. If you are going to suppose what they want then I can as well, I can suppose they want to work where they are because it’s familiar and comfortable and doesn’t require any extra effort learning a skill or going to school. I can suppose they don’t like school and don’t want to do it

I can even suppose that some people don’t want to work at all. There’s millions of people on Reddit who have said as much

Yes exactly! But those people still deserve to be able to not live in abject poverty, even IF they dont have a desire to improve upon their situation, wouldnt you agree (with the expectation that you need to contribute to society if able bodied)? No one is promoting for people to get paid for sitting on their ass, and if you believe that you are wrong.

Thats what the policy platform of the left is - its not free handouts, its simply allowing people to live in dignity and not be exploited by large corporations who dont want to pay a living wage.

Again, if people have the motivation to want to move beyond that baseline quality of life, they need to have the opportunities to do so, would you also agree?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by walfreyydo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes exactly! But those people still deserve to be able to not live in abject poverty, even IF they dont have a desire to improve upon their situation, wouldnt you agree (with the expectation that you need to contribute to society if able bodied)? No one is promoting for people to get paid for sitting on their ass, and if you believe that you are wrong.

Thats what the policy platform of the left is - its not free handouts, its simply allowing people to live in dignity and not be exploited by large corporations who dont want to pay a living wage.

Again, if people have the motivation to want to move beyond that baseline quality of life, they need to have the opportunities to do so, would you also agree?

You mentioned $7, minimum wage in my state is $12.80. So you said that people who are “lazy” deserve less money because we aren’t communists, but also enough money to live comfortably and independently because we aren’t communists

That’s my point, the left has some arbitrary standard of living, despite the fact that even the poor in America are living more comfortably than 90% of the planet. And this standard of living varies depends on who you ask. And we are going to use daddy government to enforce that standard of living for everyone

[unsunghero]

This is how I see it, I worked minimum wage for retail when I was 18 years old making whatever it was back then, I think it was like $8/hour. It wasn’t enough to live independently on and those jobs were mostly worked by high school age young adults like me who were either living with their parents or moved out living with peers involving many people to a apartment or home splitting the rent to make it affordable. I’ve personally lived in both those situations

Now our culture has shifted to saying these zero-skill entry level jobs should be worked by adults of any age, not just young adults, and should always pay enough to live independently on. I’m sorry but if you are a middle-aged adult with the skillset of a teenager (aka none), you should have the lifestyle of a teenager, which is living with family or with a lot of your peers all sharing a dingy apartment splitting the rent. You shouldn’t live the life of an independent adult when you have the skillset of a child

But I am all for free college, free healthcare, free houses, if it can be done without money printer go brrr or over-taxing people or parties that are heavily taxed already

[starkind]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mentioned $7, minimum wage in my state is $12.80. So you said that people who are “lazy” deserve less money because we aren’t communists, but also enough money to live comfortably and independently because we aren’t communists

That’s my point, the left has some arbitrary standard of living, despite the fact that even the poor in America are living more comfortably than 90% of the planet. And this standard of living varies depends on who you ask. And we are going to use daddy government to enforce that standard of living for everyone

You can't.

It won't ever work.

People should have the opportunity to raise that standard tho if they abide the law and contribute and raise their own standards.

I did the work. I was in the military. I made the right choices. I raised my standards. I sat and petitioned in the courts. Went to school. Applied for job after job. And in myife time that opportunity wasn't there for me. I've seen it happen in others.

There are no opportunities in America. There are pedigrees and lawyers.

This will lead to bloodshed. Even though "we don't want it to".

Drugs, homeless, civil decay, riots, hyperpartisinship, tribalism. Fascism. It's all just a symptom. The cause runs deep and neither party will adress that.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't.

It won't ever work.

People should have the opportunity to raise that standard tho if they abide the law and contribute and raise their own standards.

I did the work. I was in the military. I made the right choices. I raised my standards. I sat and petitioned in the courts. Went to school. Applied for job after job. And in myife time that opportunity wasn't there for me. I've seen it happen in others.

There are no opportunities in America. There are pedigrees and lawyers.

This will lead to bloodshed. Even though "we don't want it to".

Drugs, homeless, civil decay, riots, hyperpartisinship, tribalism. Fascism. It's all just a symptom. The cause runs deep and neither party will adress that.

I’m all for equality of opportunity, just not of outcome

[Patriam1066]

Greenland could be a new frontier for everyone in America who can’t cut it or whines. Just saying, that’s a lot of real estate as the planet warms

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m sorry but if you are a middle-aged adult with the skillset of a teenager (aka none), you should have the lifestyle of a teenager, which is living with family or with a lot of your peers all sharing a dingy apartment splitting the rent. You shouldn’t live the life of an independent adult when you have the skillset of a child

Easy for you to say when you're not the person who has to live that way.

'Should' is a monstrous word as we transition to a service and information economy.