Nice! How's VP?

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Gwence was suspended for 30? days I think?

As for Veric - I was around for all of his suspensions, and in many cases, was the person talking with the GMs about it. He was suspended a total of 3 times if I remember correctly. The first was for looting a contested mob, however, he looted the mob prior to GMs showing up and claiming that the mob was "contested" so the suspension was lifted (and loot actually kept by DA if I remember right).

The second was for training during that contested CT where Nizzarr and Winterfresh got suspended. The suspension was lifted after a couple of days because he didn't actually do anything - he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time while Winterfresh was training. I think he ended up getting three days because he was considered the "raid leader" so he was guilty by association. If I remember right, every officer of DA was suspended after this for a short period of time except myself and I *think* Aadill (although it might have been Appollo). All but winterfresh and nizzarr got lifted within a day or so I think.

The final one I remember was when he accidentally trained in fear. During this one, I actually worked it out with Xzerion and explained it was an accident. Xzerion and Ektar both actually took the high road and gave us the benefit of the doubt and withdrew their petition so Veric was unsuspended. We did return the favor later that night by not petitioning two accidental trains caused by IB...

I forget what my point was. Maybe it was that there was a short time where the two top guilds actually did have a some what amiable relationship. Also, just wanted to correct some history since people were dropping Veric's name. Veric always was a real legit player - he just had the worst luck when it came to being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I can't think of a single time he maliciously broke any rule on this server.