Charm mechanic changes next patch?

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Furthermore you are so eager to prove that (100% unfounded) belief that you're willing to attack and tear down the excellent work another researcher volunteered their time to find ... while completely ignoring the fact that all classic research is similarly crappy old posts like that one? And again, you're doing this attacking while not even trying to do a fraction of what Dolalin did (ie. find even the tiniest bit of evidence to support your point)?

As I pointed out a few posts ago, the information which is described as "excellent work", contains a statement from the poster acknowledging that said information is at best "lacking" due to a small sample size.

You conveniently ignored this, of course.

I understand disinformation and acting stupid are parts of your forum persona, so if I need to requote that a few times more lmk.

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[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by Stonewallx39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you read Dolalins research it’s extremely weak. It’s not even remotely close to statistically significant or comparing like variables. The classic era (supposedly couldn’t personally verify) test had a small sample size and didn’t control for the effects of magic resistance debuffs. The test was 25 samples, and found a weak negative correlation between charisma and charm duration, where less charisma slightly improved charm duration.

I’d argue (and gosh darn it I’m a guy in the internet!) that magic resist/small level differentiation caused most of the volatility seen in the test results and as a result of a very high standard deviation the 25 sample size is not enough to draw any meaningful conclusions.

He did test magic resistance later, and found it was strongly correlated with charm duration.

The sample size is also extremely limited when it comes to mob level ranges.

There is no way to extrapolate this data, it simply is lacking.

The only possible outcome is making changes based on what it "feels" like, which p1999 never used to be about.

@loramin perhaps you and your buddies can elaborate on how the available data can be extrapolated into a model that covers caster level ranges 20-60, vs mob level ranges 20-60.

Given the high quality of the source material (which you claim anyway), this shouldn't be a problem?

Looking forward to that! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I pointed out a few posts ago, the information which is described as "excellent work", contains a statement from the poster acknowledging that said information is at best "lacking" due to a small sample size.

You conveniently ignored this, of course.

I understand disinformation and acting stupid are parts of your forum persona, so if I need to requote that a few times more lmk.

I ignored nothing (and also refrained from personal insults, something you don't seem to have the basic decency for).

I responded by pointing out that classic evidence doesn't come in nice/neat/tidy packages where someone from 1999 spells out exactly how everything worked with no controversy: virtually ALL classic evidence is some crappy two-sentence hint in the comments section of Allakhazam from 2002.

Unfortunately, that's just the reality of trying to piece together a 20+ year old game with zero original source code, from a time before the Internet was fully archived! But A) if that's all you have, you have to make the best of it, and B) Nilbog has lots more evidence that we can't see, so presumably that post wasn't the entire basis for the decision: it was just one more "break the camel's back" straw.

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@loramin perhaps you and your buddies can elaborate on how the available data can be extrapolated into a model that covers caster level ranges 20-60, vs mob level ranges 20-60.

Maybe instead of coming at this with the mentality of child who's had their toy taken away, you could have a little respect for the project you have so much passion over?

[Chortles Snortles]

i bet you feel pretty silly right now

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe instead of coming at this with the mentality of child who's had their toy taken away, you could have a little respect for the project you have so much passion over?

I asked you a very simple question.

Is this strawman the best you can do, or did your reading abilities fail you?

Let me know if you need me to take this a few steps back. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by Chortles Snortles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i bet you feel pretty silly right now

remember that time you posted on FoH

that worked out well

[loramin]

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I asked you a very simple question.

Is this strawman the best you can do, or did your reading abilities fail you?

Let me know if you need me to take this a few steps back. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're attacking me personally, not my argument, but you have the gaul to (misuse) logical fallacies like The Strawman Argument? You must have been a star debater at your high school.

Meanwhile, you ignored my three paragraph response to your question.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wanted to spend hundreds of hours arguing with people in bad faith, I'd have taken it up with Loramin

[starkind]

I can't wait for charming _fix_ as it is indeed a more classic and more tested patch than the current guesswork and feels.. to go in so people can stop hyperventilating about their endless supplies of fungi tunics and holgresh beads.

[Disease]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're attacking me personally, not my argument, but you have the gaul to (misuse) logical fallacies like The Strawman Argument? You must have been a star debater at your high school.

Meanwhile, you ignored my three paragraph response to your question.

Just post your wiki guide response and keep it moving. You complain more then anybody here and always seem to play victim when people can't take your shit anymore.