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[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if they are just gaming the system it's all good

That's one way to phrase coming here legally. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All these native americans talking about how diversity does not work... I trust you're all from here going back ten generations or more?? Last time I checked, we're all immigrants or descended from immigrants. Whites dont come from the Americas. The race soldiers, especially.

That’s all fine and good. I’m sure immigration doesn’t matter as much to people not living in a border state like me also, like liberal politicians living in their ivory towers in Maine and Vermont

Phoenix is in the top 5 fastest growing cities in the entire country

Places like Havasu falls, a beautiful hidden oasis in the center of the Grand Canyon that I used to backpack into every year….I may never see again in my lifetime. This is because due to the population increases in the past decade, now the campground reservations for the year (and you are only allowed to reserve for that year) are instantly all booked the second they come up. I’ve tried to get them…and all I get is a busy signal trying dozens of time per hour for days until finding out when I finally get through that they are all gone

Watering holes like Fossil creek that I used to be able to just go to on a whim, now require reservations farther and farther in advance, and look more and more like assembly line tourist attractions

When you climb the tallest mountain in Phoenix and look down, you can see a thick cloud of smog sitting on top of the city. A cloud that gets thicker and denser every year

Now yes, a lot of those people coming are people fleeing high cost of living states like CA like locusts, spreading to devour a new state and then move on again

But also,

Tens of thousands of El Salvadorans and Hondurans were bussed form the border into cities in my state in just the last few years alone, thousands at a time. I paid close attention each time I saw local news report on it, on the few occasions they heard about it. And that’s just the ones moved from overcrowded holding centers, who knows how more are crossing our near-useless lack of a border undetected….into my state

Pics from a place I may never get to see again [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Past studies (which will be hard as shit to find, don’t use Google lol) have shown some negative consequences to diversity. I don’t remember them all offhand, I just remember hearing about how these studies that weren’t intending to find them noticed some. The obvious ones would be the impact of forcing together cultures or especially religions that have strongly opposed viewpoints, a recipe for conflict

It’s becoming more rare, but there are countries and places with homogenous populations that are doing well

There’s obvious pro’s and con’s to everything. The problem is I can harp all day about the pro’s of diversity (which there are) but mention a con and I’m a bigot or xenophobe. So there’s no actual critical thought or analysis going on, just a one-sided echo chamber

Years back there was a lengthy in-depth piece that aired on 60 Minutes (Australia?) IIRC (I don't), where a million/billionaire conducted an experiment he was certain would work, one involving the reintegration of primate that were more or less domesticated. It's been years since it was documented, but the primates were moved from captivity to an island in a small lake. The lake was deep enough to prevent the surrounding wild primates from reaching the island, but close enough for visibility. A drawbridge was constructed and eventually lowered. All of the island primates were promptly killed by the wild primates. In an attempt to allay criticism early on, the million/billionaire gave the disclaimer at the beginning of the interview that if the experiment went horribly wrong, he would abandon it altogether and admit to being in the wrong. But when the experiment did go wrong, the segment ended with him rejecting the idea of wrongdoing and insisted that only the finer details needed to be ironed out, that the experiment would work under different circumstances, which he intended to prove with still more primates. That is one example showing that diversity is not always a natural fit or the perfect answer. If I had a better memory I'd be able to provide links, but searching google with keywords for a monkey killing experiment isn't how I want to spend a Thursday night.

Instead there's this about the potato famine, for anyone bored...

https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evoli...agriculture_02
https://www.pnas.org/content/111/24/8791

A pro and a con regarding diversity. Another one, that's more relevant to the discussion...a potential connection between cholera and cystic fibrosis. Both effects on the human body are cons, but CF would have been a pro were there no cure for cholera.

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/19....107G/abstract



Most of this is over my head, but I've heard it discussed elsewhere by those with CF. So yes, diversity can be negative and positive. And in cases where there are two negatives, a positive aspect might still exist, unbeknownst to us for some time.

[Jibartik]

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that’s just the ones moved from overcrowded holding centers, who knows how more are crossing our near-useless lack of a border undetected….into my state

Very few. You gotta present yourself at a port of entry for the programs. And Tromp's stupid ass wall poisoned the public against updated asylum policies.

Awful president.

[Gravydoo II]

I used to live in San Diego. Since you know everyone so well, where else have I lived? I must live in maine or a borderless state... because the ocean doesnt bring immigrants, either, right? I got ocean on three sides. We get south americans, carribean islanders, cubans, all kinds of immigrants. It's not a problem.

My state has three times the number of people than your state. 21,000,000 people. Arizona has 7,000,000. We can all read between the lines. We get it. If you're white, its fine. If you're not, its a problem.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used to live in San Diego. Since you know everyone so well, where else have I lived? I must live in maine or a borderless state... because the ocean doesnt bring immigrants, either, right? I got ocean on three sides. We get south americans, carribean islanders, cubans, all kinds of immigrants. It's not a problem.

My state has three times the number of people than your state. 21,000,000 people. Arizona has 7,000,000. We can all read between the lines. We get it. If you're white, its fine. If you're not, its a problem.

People are leaving your shithole of a former state in droves for a reason lol

[Jibartik]

Im so pissed off I had to listen to virtue signaling about kids drinking from toilets and look at all these Insta posts form the squad and under their watch they just cast them to the mud pits.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very few. You gotta present yourself at a port of entry for the programs. And Tromp's stupid ass wall poisoned the public against updated asylum policies.

Awful president.

Reality poisoned the public to the policies

You would have to be a moron to not see the blatant mass exploitation of a policy meant to shield people from religious or political persecution

Wtf does a wall have to do with my perception of our terrible asylum policies? My 11yr old cousin could figure out how to exploit them

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All these native americans talking about how diversity does not work... I trust you're all from here going back ten generations or more?? Last time I checked, we're all immigrants or descended from immigrants. Whites dont come from the Americas. The race soldiers, especially.

bro ask yourself what those immigrants did to the actual natives.