Afghanistan Megathread

[Horza]

Once again, The Wall Street Journal and Fox News are both owned by the same people.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your words, not mine. There are exceptions as always, so believing any one person based solely on their background is not advisable. People have motives, biases, etc. Roll for perception.

Ahh so then you agree, that in some situations someone who is not native to the land perhaps might be more qualified to comment on Afghanistan.

And. Thanks for realizing that it was wrong to say that the people of Afghanistan are more qualified than a US commander to comment about Afghanistan.

I just wanted that single point to be clear, it is wrong to assume he knows less about the situation, life in Afghanistan, or the people, because he is not from there. Infact he may be better suited in some cases because he is less culturally biased to side with one group over another.

Its like saying non americans cant comment on american politics, or what would be better for us, you could see with the naked eye from jupiter what would be better for most americans. That dont make them say they are gonig to do it!

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again, The Wall Street Journal and Fox News are both owned by the same people.

Fake news fake news!

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fake news fake news!

Murdoch-owned publications are sensationalist garbage, don't forget they got us into this mess in the first place.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Murdoch-owned publications are sensationalist garbage, don't forget they got us into this mess in the first place.

Well that they may have, but what news is ok?

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh so then you agree, that in some situations someone who is not native to the land perhaps might be more qualified to comment on Afghanistan.

More qualified than who? More qualified than one person or some people? Sure, that may very well be the case, but not all people.

I said Afghans. I chose my words carefully because it was said earlier that the Lt. Commander was more qualified than "anyone, anywhere" which is hard to accept in any context. Regardless of who we are talking about, very few people in history fit that criteria.

As mentioned before, a group with shared knowledge/experiences can offer more credible information overall. One person may be of exceptional value, depending on how experienced they are, but generally the more first-person accounts the better.

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for realizing that it was wrong to say that the people of Afghanistan are more qualified than a US commander to comment about Afghanistan.

"Lief Erikson was more qualified to comment about America than the people of Turtle Island..." is basically what you are saying, which is not a reasonable argument.

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just wanted that single point to be clear, it is wrong to assume he knows less about the situation, life in Afghanistan, or the people, because he is not from there.

So than, the next GM on blue should be from EQ live?

The assumption wasn't that he knew less, but that he knew more than anyone, anywhere; that assumption was not one I made, I merely questioned its validity. Can one foreigner be more knowledgeable about an entire country than all of the people within its borders? The answer is a resounding no, unless maybe it's the world's smallest country but according to Google that happens to be Vatican City.

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its like saying non americans cant comment on american politics, or what would be better for us, you could see with the naked eye from jupiter what would be better for most americans. That dont make them say they are gonig to do it!

Please indicate where it was said that foreigners shouldn't comment on the region or that they weren't qualified to speak on matters abroad. If even a single sentence alludes to that, it was poorly written. But in following up after the fact, I actually said go to the source itself to learn firsthand, which the person in question did on numerous tours. However, most every group lives in its own bubble, with militaries being no exception. Hollywood. Tourists. Politicians. Karens. Middle-aged elf nerds. The difference is, those in the military often express greater difficulty in trying to assimilate back into civilian life, though some players on p99 would likely face difficulties of their own too. What is a sock if not a receptacle for poop? How do earthquakes happen IRL if there are no dragons?

And to bring the dicussion back around to homelessness again...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home..._United_States
https://www.stripes.com/veterans/202...c-2346395.html

[Gatordash]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again, The Wall Street Journal and Fox News are both owned by the same people.

The article says they have two sources that both confirmed the same thing. I guess you can believe they made it up if you want.

The cable, sent via the State Department’s confidential dissent channel, warned of rapid territorial gains by the Taliban and the subsequent collapse of Afghan security forces, and offered recommendations on ways to mitigate the crisis and speed up an evacuation, the two people said.

The cable, dated July 13, also called for the State Department to use tougher language in describing the atrocities being committed by the Taliban, one of the people said.