I don't care what political, cultural. or social values u hold

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds like you're saying the more affluent (rich) neighborhoods had low crime, and the poor neighborhoods had more. Makes sense to me.

It also sounds like you're saying that minorities tended to live disproportionately in the poor neighborhoods, whereas the affluent areas were disproportionately white. Again, makes sense!

In fact historically, white people have deliberately designed their cities to create exactly those conditions. Only whites could purchase property in certain parts (the "good" parts), so minorities could only own homes in the worse neighborhoods. In other words, many cities literally have racism built into the geography itself: it doesn't get more systemic than that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And look, I'm not even disagreeing with what you're saying about society's messages, because that shit does matter too. But again, it's a drop in the bucket against the actual, systemic racism that does exist in our society. Stuff that goes back generations (eg. when the color of your skin could legally control where you could buy a home) ... but still screws over minorities even today.

No I'm talking about right now; the current state of the US. Right now, intergenerational poverty exists because of stupid choices. That is to say, underclass culture, and especially "black culture", are anti-thetical to success in this country. The absolute best way to escape intergenerational poverty as a black person, is to reject black culture in it's entirety and embrace an individualist mindset that forsakes collectivism, especially collectivist's embrace of excuse-making and victimhood narratives.

The black man (and woman) has never had more opportunity than they do right now, and, in fact has more opportunity than any other racial demograph in the US. Corporations throughout the US are falling all over themselves trying to secure black talent for social virtue signaling points with their conscientent-consumer fanbase, there's just, quite frankly, a complete shortfall of it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No I'm talking about right now; the current state of the US. Right now, intergenerational poverty exists because of stupid choices. That is to say, underclass culture, and especially "black culture", are anti-thetical to success in this country. The absolute best way to escape intergenerational poverty as a black person, is to reject black culture in it's entirety and embrace an individualist mindset that forsakes collectivism, especially collectivist's embrace of excuse-making and victimhood narratives.

The black man (and woman) has never had more opportunity than they do right now, and, in fact has more opportunity than any other racial demograph in the US. Corporations throughout the US are falling all over themselves trying to secure black talent for social virtue signaling points with their conscientent-consumer fanbase, there's just quite simply a complete shortfall of it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is true. Culture will fight against self-betterment every step of the way. Getting an education, even speaking articulately is seen as being an Uncle Tom in low-income black culture. And the safest and best thing to do is move away as soon as possible. Poor black areas have higher crime rates than poor white areas, and crime rates have a direct impact on home prices, which indirectly has a direct impact on school funding (paid in part from property taxes). Not to mention gang culture is pervasive and deadly due to beef so easily being continued over social media. Gang culture exists in all low-income areas, however

There are definitely historical injustices that contributed to making low income black areas how they are today, but their own culture is a rejection of self-betterment, education, and especially authority, to its own demise

[unsunghero]

Not to mention the "snitches get stitches" rule is responsible for so much death and violence on its own. It's understandable why black culture has a mistrust of police, but this results in issues being handled via "street justice" not legal justice

So, someone assaults or kills a gang member. Their friends know exactly who did it, but rather than go to the police with that info, they will choose to employ street justice, and retaliate in kind violently. This results in another retaliation, and round and round they go, violently taking retribution for violence, rather than going to the authorities. This creates so much additional violence

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

embrace an individualist mindset that forsakes collectivism

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to mention the "snitches get stitches" rule is responsible for so much death and violence on its own. It's understandable why black culture has a mistrust of police, but this results in issues being handled via "street justice" not legal justice

So, someone assaults or kills a gang member. Their friends know exactly who did it, but rather than go to the police with that info, they will choose to employ street justice, and retaliate in kind violently. This results in another retaliation, and round and round they go, violently taking retribution for violence, rather than going to the authorities. This creates so much additional violence

Yeah I was going to bring up the "snitches get stitches" mantra used to make fellow African Americans accustomed to and accepting of exposure to violent sociopathic criminality, and it's subsequent effects of perpetuating victimhood contained within their own ranks but I didn't get around to it yet.

It's almost as if they've literally attempted to reify "honor amongst thieves" when anyone of sound mind knows that's simply not conducive to a harmonius reality.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Notice how you can't engage anything on a factual basis, and your only retort is to claim 'foul" and object with emotional temper tantrums. All pathos, no ethos, or logos. So bitch made.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I was going to bring up the "snitches get stitches" mantra used to make fellow African Americans accustomed to and accepting of exposure to violent sociopathic criminality, and it's subsequent effects of perpetuating victimhood contained within their own ranks but I didn't get around to it yet.

It's almost as if they've literally attempted to reify "honor amongst thieves" when anyone of sound mind knows that's simply not conducive to a harmonius reality.

To some degree it exists in all low-income areas with gang culture regardless of their ethnicity. However, there is no culture that has a greater mistrust of, and therefore unwillingness to go to, the police than black culture. And I don't see that EVER changing, no matter how "reformed" police get

[Jibartik]

what are the lengths of jail time sentences for the seal team jan 6ers so far? like 8 months? a year?

If you think about it, I bet they all are going to run for office when they get out and win lol

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To some degree it exists in all low-income areas with gang culture regardless of their ethnicity. However, there is no culture that has a greater mistrust of, and therefore unwillingness to go to, the police than black culture. And I don't see that EVER changing, no matter how "reformed" police get

Often criminal organisations provide better social support, opportunities and services than the ‘legit’ government. I don’t know whether this is the case in the above instance, but it is well documented that criminal organisations often fill the role of ‘black’ government (as in black market, not african american, - pun unintentional) especially in deprived areas ignored by formal government.

[starkind]

honor among thieves is supposed to be sarcastic

ur only option to not burn in hell is roll paladin and join the imperial forces

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Often criminal organisations provide better social support, opportunities and services than the ‘legit’ government.

if u consider better benifits having $500 more dolla a month to spend on whatever private insurance but having ur family killed if u betray ur boss and don't kill the kid of the guy trying to shut down ur org better lol

p.s. US government is a criminal org