April fools comes late!

[Ennewi]

The nostalgia doesn't solely come from the game but the player base too, many of which are still time locked in 2001, unable to progress beyond adolescent behavior.

[Yinein]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also am big mad.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The video isn't the entire kite. I'm sorry you can't understand that time was in existence before the video started, and believe it or not, it's still running after the video has ended, but it's pretty obviously not the whole kite.



The insults are cyclical. Both sides are highly aggressive towards each other, but I'm not some boot licking riot lackey that lacks self awareness. I'm sorry you can't see it it, but the common person can easily see through the petty bullshit. JB and Juicebox are just as bad, if not worse than, anybody in Vanquish. I'm just not attached to their dicks like you are.

Ok so if the video you all provided isn't "the entire kite" by all means submit fraps that show the entire kite. As it stands the evidence provided shows KT traveling back towards his spawn point for "about the length of 1 DA", standing in place for a few seconds to kill Zssah, then going back towards WL. As your leadership is so quick to say, show me the fraps.

It's absolutely hilarious that you think JB and Jute are anywhere near the level of vitriol and aggression of anyone in vanq. If they sometimes show those characteristics it's because of being pushed to the brink by constant harassment, gaslighting, name calling, and overall highly aggressive comments by your leadership. The methods of communication between our 2 leadership teams couldn't be more different, they're not equivalent.

There are literally dozens of examples and often people screen shot the comments in the UN because your leaders disingenuously go back and delete things they've said, riot leadership never does that. Vanq leadership also has gone back and deleted concessions, another thing riot has never done. Right now you're doing exactly what most vanq members do when arguing in bad faith. You hold up 1 or 2 examples of incredibly marginal/slight things riot has said or done, usually in response to antagonistic behavior from vanq and you try to equate it to the literal mountains of garbage coming from the vanq side of things, which is almost always unprovoked. You all constantly compare apples to watermelons and play whataboutism games till the sun sets instead of admitting what everyone but you sees plainly.

There's a reason the vast majority of the server can't stand your guild and the people in it. There's a huge contingent of vanq that if they weren't able to be in your guild no other guild would take them. I'll reiterate since you seem to have skipped over this: almost all the bigots, homophobes, and massive assholes on the server are in your guild.

[Ennewi]

"Big mad" would be threatening to knock someone's teeth out over a computer game.

[Ennewi]

Mad, in both senses of the word.

[NotCaros]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so if the video you all provided isn't "the entire kite" by all means submit fraps that show the entire kite. As it stands the evidence provided shows KT traveling back towards his spawn point for "about the length of 1 DA", standing in place for a few seconds to kill Zssah, then going back towards WL. As your leadership is so quick to say, show me the fraps.

It's absolutely hilarious that you think JB and Jute are anywhere near the level of vitriol and aggression of anyone in vanq. If they sometimes show those characteristics it's because of being pushed to the brink by constant harassment, gaslighting, name calling, and overall highly aggressive comments by your leadership. The methods of communication between our 2 leadership teams couldn't be more different, they're not equivalent.

There are literally dozens of examples and often people screen shot the comments in the UN because your leaders disingenuously go back and delete things they've said, riot leadership never does that. Vanq leadership also has gone back and deleted concessions, another thing riot has never done. Right now you're doing exactly what most vanq members do when arguing in bad faith. You hold up 1 or 2 examples of incredibly marginal/slight things riot has said or done, usually in response to antagonistic behavior from vanq and you try to equate it to the literal mountains of garbage coming from the vanq side of things, which is almost always unprovoked. You all constantly compare apples to watermelons and play whataboutism games till the sun sets instead of admitting what everyone but you sees plainly.

There's a reason the vast majority of the server can't stand your guild and the people in it. There's a huge contingent of vanq that if they weren't able to be in your guild no other guild would take them. I'll reiterate since you seem to have skipped over this: almost all the bigots, homophobes, and massive assholes on the server are in your guild.

As long as you can find at least One Thing

that someone else does bad - but you've never ever done

that means your a good person!

And surely a fairy just earned its wings today!

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so if the video you all provided isn't "the entire kite" by all means submit fraps that show the entire kite. As it stands the evidence provided shows KT traveling back towards his spawn point for "about the length of 1 DA", standing in place for a few seconds to kill Zssah, then going back towards WL. As your leadership is so quick to say, show me the fraps.

It's absolutely hilarious that you think JB and Jute are anywhere near the level of vitriol and aggression of anyone in vanq. If they sometimes show those characteristics it's because of being pushed to the brink by constant harassment, gaslighting, name calling, and overall highly aggressive comments by your leadership. The methods of communication between our 2 leadership teams couldn't be more different, they're not equivalent.

You're moving the goal posts. At first, your claim is that KT wasn't kited towards the throne room. Now that your claim has been thoroughly debunked, well, it wasn't a kite because it wasn't long enough. You're using the word gaslighting again, but here you are, again, doing that exact same thing. Again.

You are a liar and a hypocrite. You seriously need help.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're moving the goal posts. At first, your claim is that KT wasn't kited towards the throne room. Now that your claim has been thoroughly debunked, well, it wasn't a kite because it wasn't long enough. You're using the word gaslighting again, but here you are, again, doing that exact same thing. Again.

You are a liar and a hypocrite. You seriously need help.

I never said KT didn't go back towards his throne. I said very clearly that we didn't take him back that direction on purpose, and I'm saying, again very clearly each time, that the amount of time he spent moving back that direction doesn't fit the definition of a kite. At no point have I moved any goal posts. I've stated my position very clearly each time.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said KT didn't go back towards his throne. I said very clearly that we didn't take him back that direction on purpose, and I'm saying, again very clearly each time, that the amount of time he spent moving back that direction doesn't fit the definition of a kite. At no point have I moved any goal posts. I've stated my position very clearly each time.

Your position before is that you did not kite towards KT. Then your point was that it was not kited at all. Now your point is that it was not kited on purpose.

Intent is irrelevant in this situation. You either pulled it to back to the throne room or you didn't. Video shows you did. Since you did, you need to concede. There's no other argument here. Nothing else to discuss. Riot took it back to the throne room. All of the evidence shows this.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your position before is that you did not kite towards KT. Then your point was that it was not kited at all. Now your point is that it was not kited on purpose.

Intent is irrelevant in this situation. You either pulled it to back to the throne room or you didn't. Video shows you did. Since you did, you need to concede. There's no other argument here. Nothing else to discuss. Riot took it back to the throne room. All of the evidence shows this.

Q10: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited, stalled, or occupied?
A: It is against server policy to indefinitely kite, stall, or otherwise keep occupied a raid mob without intention of killing it. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stalling of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild/party, is against the rules. Ignorance is not an excuse to break this rule. If you are pulling raid targets, we expect you to know what you’re doing.

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done. But the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength, while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

I'm going to dumb it down for you since you are having a really tough time understanding. Per the raid rules, not just whatever vanq wishes to make up and word vomit everywhere, Staff affords each attempt at a mob "one DA, or about that much time" before considering it a stall/kite. By the server rules, which again vanq has repeatedly said they adhere to religiously, no rule was broken and it was not a kite/stall. KT was moving away from camp for "one DA, or about that time".

You can keep saying over and over and over that it was a kite but that doesn't make it true. No rule was broken and if you think one was I would love for you to quote me the exact rule you believe we violated, and we can examine that.

As it stands currently you keep saying the same incorrect debunked trash over and over in a desperate attempt to will it to be true. No rules were broken. It does not fit the definition of a kite per server rules.