Melee Worthlessness - The Biggest Balance Problem There Is

[NPC]

Originally Posted by Saisu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An Ogre warrior that went full stamina at creation would be at 157. The worst you can be is a Dark Elf or Woof Elf with a measly base of 75 (maybe you put all points into charisma).

At level 60 those 82 stat points would equal 492 HP, which is your worst case scenario.

For an Ogre to have 1,000 extra HP over a Wood Elf, they'd need to start with 241 stamina.
For an Ogre to have 2,000 extra HP over a Wood Elf, they'd need to start with 408 stamina.

That would be compared to a hybrid. FYI

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by NPC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would be compared to a hybrid. FYI

I’m confused. Are you saying a 150 stam ogre war will have a four figure number more hp than a 75sta wood elf ranger at 60?

[Saisu]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m confused. Are you saying a 150 stam ogre war will have a four figure number more hp than a 75sta wood elf ranger at 60?

Plugged the numbers into Magelo, and that does seem to be the case.
150 Stamina Ogre Warrior at 60 = 2638 HP
75 Stamina Wood Elf Ranger at 60 = 1580 HP

1,058 HP difference.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Saisu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plugged the numbers into Magelo, and that does seem to be the case.
150 Stamina Ogre Warrior at 60 = 2638 HP
75 Stamina Wood Elf Ranger at 60 = 1580 HP

1,058 HP difference.

Most of that difference is due to class base hp though, not really due to stamina.

[baue1446]

Both myself and a good friend of mine re-rolled as iksar monks when we each won a fungi.

I have 50 sham, necro and mage on green. And all 3 solo amazingly. Then I soloed with the iksar monk with a fungi.

And I can honestly say it was at least 25-50% faster to go from 1-50 on monk than those other 3 classes. You simply have no down time. NO need to med and you regen your health while you are fighting/running to the next mob.

I have soloed to 51 and hes at 54. Never having grouped once. And have leveled faster than any class ive done so far.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by baue1446 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both myself and a good friend of mine re-rolled as iksar monks when we each won a fungi.

I have 50 sham, necro and mage on green. And all 3 solo amazingly. Then I soloed with the iksar monk with a fungi.

And I can honestly say it was at least 25-50% faster to go from 1-50 on monk than those other 3 classes. You simply have no down time. NO need to med and you regen your health while you are fighting/running to the next mob.

I have soloed to 51 and hes at 54. Never having grouped once. And have leveled faster than any class ive done so far.

Sounds like a fungi is best when trying to develop an anti-social personality disorder.

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by baue1446 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have soloed to 51 and hes at 54. Never having grouped once. And have leveled faster than any class ive done so far.

Nice, real classic experience. Hope that was fun for you.

[baue1446]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice, real classic experience. Hope that was fun for you.

I mean regardless of what I get out of it. I was just commenting on the ability of melee to solo and not only that but to be able to solo as well or more successfully than even the classes that are designed to solo.

[Falditin]

Originally Posted by baue1446 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have soloed to 51 and hes at 54. Never having grouped once. And have leveled faster than any class ive done so far.

I'm not calling you out, I'm calling myself out.

I did this and solo'd a monk to 55 before grouping and never have playing a monk before. Turned out a huge mistake for me, I had no idea nor experience in splitting mobs or pulling as a monk.

[beargryllz]

Originally Posted by Saisu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plugged the numbers into Magelo, and that does seem to be the case.
150 Stamina Ogre Warrior at 60 = 2638 HP
75 Stamina Wood Elf Ranger at 60 = 1580 HP

1,058 HP difference.

Hybrids get dog shit HP compared to warriors. They get more than pure casters, but warriors get much more than hybrids

How many 7k rangers do you know?