Serious discussion about Charisma after Charm Nerf

[Ajax]

I have a distinct memory of Gaylen on EMarr grinding hell levels (54 or 59)in Burning woods charming the named wurms.

I would trade druid buffs for crack and, I remember being a bit pissed that he was making better xp than i was quad kiting.

No clue how long his charms were lasting just saying that he was very successful at it.

For time ref this would be a month or two after Kunark release.

[Finawin]

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charm was sweet up until PoP after they nerfed it because of the chanter soloing in PoV and Halls of Honor.

On combine enchanters would lock down swashbucklers in Timorous deep, Guks in lguk, ilis knights in sebilis, pirates in jaggedpine, or LDCs in solb. You had 3 kinds of enchanters, those that would buff and mez, those that would pull buff and mez, or those that would charm buff mez and maybe pull.

If you rolled around with nothing but scrub chanters than I could see you thinking that way though.

Combine isn't classic.

That whole post is irrelevant.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My primary recollection with classic Charm was that the overwhelming majority of Enchanters regarded it as worthless/suicidal and rarely/never used it.

Danth

You're right, that WAS the overwhelming majority opinion. However, NONE of those enchanters had 255 charisma. I played an enchanter when that mindset changed, and after that charm was used much more often.

Same story with any of a slew of techniques that have been discovered SINCE classic, that allows classes to be played NON-CLASSICALLY by classic rules.

CHA 255 enchanters should be able to viably charm pets. It should always be hit and miss, and a dangerous proposition, but in a somewhat controlled environment, it shouldn't be an issue.

[Ermonican]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CHA 255 enchanters should be able to viably charm pets. It should always be hit and miss, and a dangerous proposition, but in a somewhat controlled environment, it shouldn't be an issue.

Ahh an opinion in regards to how CHA effects charm based on personal experience! This is what I was looking for, thank you Hasbin.

I really want to make a DE chanter, because they are the coolest ever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] but I dont want to gimp myself with the CHA thing.

[Hasbinbad]

My live chanter was a DEF.
Only chanter on the server in full chainmail [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Ermonican [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh an opinion in regards to how CHA effects charm based on personal experience! This is what I was looking for, thank you Hasbin.

I really want to make a DE chanter, because they are the coolest ever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] but I dont want to gimp myself with the CHA thing.

As a chanter I strongly recommend you put all your points into Stamina. It's the only important stat you will not be able to max out via gear (and possibly a self buff) for a long time. For int and charisma, you should be able to hit 200 without much difficulty by the time you hit 50 and that's before Kunark is released.

[Lyssia]

Agree with guineapig here. I made the mistake of maxing cha at creation and now wish i had done stamina also. Without planes gear and only using self buff though i now have a 255cha, my int only sits at 166. Manapool sucks until i get into planes raids and upgrade gear. Great for charming, but anything other then that your manaool wont support much


Lyssia

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Ajax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a distinct memory of Gaylen on EMarr grinding hell levels (54 or 59)in Burning woods charming the named wurms.

I would trade druid buffs for crack and, I remember being a bit pissed that he was making better xp than i was quad kiting.

No clue how long his charms were lasting just saying that he was very successful at it.

For time ref this would be a month or two after Kunark release.

Gaylen was just as nuts as Enki, he rerolled beastlord at some point through there. I did a Royal Run in chardok with him, he kept that one golem up top charmed the whole run lol. He had Yenom backing him up though when charm broke though.