Estimate on Student Loan Forgiveness

[Disease]

Originally Posted by imperiouskitten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RUDE. I am doing fine thank you very much. Banking on those loans being forgiven and I reckon I'll be right.

Sure you're doing fine. Taking out loans, never paying them back because you dont care about your credit as an adult... Sounds like you're doing fine.

[Bearsnowls]

I'd imagine 10k, which is nice. I mean, we're all in student loan debt. Unless you're very privileged, you don't get to go to school unless you take debt out. That, and skyrocketing tuition is a huge problem. It's a problem that needs to be addressed. However, my boyfriend and I have debated about this issue. I think that *some* debt forgiveness is needed. He disagrees, constantly saying "nobody pulled a gun to our heads to take this debt out." Some accountability is needed, which I agree with.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Bearsnowls [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd imagine 10k, which is nice. I mean, we're all in student loan debt. Unless you're very privileged, you don't get to go to school unless you take debt out. That, and skyrocketing tuition is a huge problem. It's a problem that needs to be addressed. However, my boyfriend and I have debated about this issue. I think that *some* debt forgiveness is needed. He disagrees, constantly saying "nobody pulled a gun to our heads to take this debt out." Some accountability is needed, which I agree with.

Or don't attend college. I agree with your boyfriend though.

Who remembers this poster at school?

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The education agenda has made this something of a requirement in our society, with or without the "living large" lifestyle attached to it. I comprehend that some people want debt relief because this is something of a unspoken requirement.

TFW liberal college is roughly equal to a highschool graduation. You can make college tuition free, tax payer funded.. but that would be school. Not special school, just regular school. Then people would create college 2.0 so they can separate themselves from the regulars again.

[Gustoo]

They want to make it easy for people to enroll in further indoctrination programs. So they made student loans.

Because schools benefit from more enrollment, they like degrees that are easy to pass and since these degrees have minimum value, these loans are hard to pay back.

The purpose of student loans and going to school is really more vocational than anything, but people end up getting liberal arts degrees that don't really help them get jobs or succeed in society other than the level of indoctrination they have received.

Most of the institutions are far from their original stated intension. We can talk about the housing market. The home loan was to make it so average Joe can get a home. Now it is used as a business loan to multiple home owners to increase their land holdings and their apartment rental business. It was designed only to be a loan to help more people NOT be renters. By changing the nature of this loan and the applicants that the banks can choose from, their intended target market (people who need homes) is a non attractive client compared to the multiple home owner, who qualifies readily.

So it is quite a mess since these non home owners do not achieve the same level of investment in their community being funneled into serfdom, and then their kids may end up in a liberal arts school and also never get any traction towards making money or whatever, so the entire lot becomes disenfranchised and unhappy. Then they look for things and people to blame for their misfortune and find that indeed the system is pretty fucked up.

At the same time we are talking about improving a system that has proven to be one of the best systems on the planet for upward mobility. I had dinner with a gentlemen last week who grew up in agricultural work camps and now owns multiple agricultural cooling locations on both sides of the border. He described to me how he and his father made their way and how currently the pay in Mexico is around 30k a year for a masters degree level individual and in USA around 100k+ which is accurate.

So it depends on how you want to look at it. There are things that need improvement and a lot of people are taking advantage of the systems in place for personal gain and to the detriment of society, but at the same time, there are a lot of opportunities still on the table for someone who can muster the will to not spend all their time on facebook or project 1999 forums.

Student loan forgiveness? Since they are creating trilions of dollars with the stroke of a pen it makes sense to also create the money to forgive these loans and reduce the debt burden on their people. Bail out the companies, bail out the citizens. If the economy and all of civilization can handle one thing maybe it can handle the other too. What will be the straw that breaks the donkeys back? Hopefully nothing too soon, I have two young kids that I would like to see achieve adulthood before we fall apart.

[Bonethunder]

Need money for college ? Mandatory military service

problem solved

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or don't attend college. I agree with your boyfriend though.

Who remembers this poster at school?

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The education agenda has made this something of a requirement in our society, with or without the "living large" lifestyle attached to it. I comprehend that some people want debt relief because this is something of a unspoken requirement.

TFW liberal college is roughly equal to a highschool graduation. You can make college tuition free, tax payer funded.. but that would be school. Not special school, just regular school. Then people would create college 2.0 so they can separate themselves from the regulars again.

Agreed. If college is free it becomes a basic requirement for whatever, and it means all humans need to now dedicate 22 years of their life to sitting in a desk getting pumped with ??? versus the current requirement of 17 to 18 years.

Then we look at trades and those trades only have value because there is not a lot of competition. If we start giving high school kids proper education and teach them plumbing and masonry and machining and construction then those jobs will be less lucrative for the current contractors but we will have more competent useful and happy people doing good work.

100% agree that current BA programs get most people to where they should be when they complete high school. Sad.

[Gwaihir]

I don't believe the question is "should you have to pay student loans back"

We all know you welching mooches don't think you"should" have to honor your obligations.

Did you know in the zulu language, they don't even have a word to describe an obligation?

[Gwaihir]

Like, from a conceptual standpoint, there's no such thing as keeping a promise

[magnetaress]

You can't be a doctor in this country without buying into an exorbitant and inflated institutional system.

We should consider also fixing that.

The loan forgiveness plan is supposed to support people who went to trade schools though. In order to do stuff like welding, computer networking, cosmetology, or like be certified nursing assistants.

I think those trades all run 10-30k for the basic "hours required" and state boards, licenses. The economy took a massive shit and the trades have gone black market. Immigrants, illegals with Carrier air conditioning (the one Trump supported) installed the AC here.

Those should be American jobs and people shouldn't need to go into debt to learn a trade, And should be able to train on the job.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't be a doctor in this country without buying into an exorbitant and inflated institutional system.

We should consider also fixing that.

The loan forgiveness plan is supposed to support people who went to trade schools though. In order to do stuff like welding, computer networking, cosmetology, or like be certified nursing assistants.

I think those trades all run 10-30k for the basic "hours required" and state boards, licenses. The economy took a massive shit and the trades have gone black market. Immigrants, illegals with Carrier air conditioning (the one Trump supported) installed the AC here.

Those should be American jobs and people shouldn't need to go into debt to learn a trade, And should be able to train on the job.

Yeah, when I was taking my diversity and humanities credits, I took this class called Race Class Sex and Gender, it was an integrated class for 15 credits that I smashed an A on and earned the sociology student of the year award for, despite not even believing sociology is a science.....

One part of the class introduced the concept of importing highly skilled careers internationally to intentionally depress the earning potential of historically lucrative career paths for the sake of equality.

I successfully argued against it indicating it would lead to inability for USA to homegrown doctors, and professors due to cost of tuition for post graduate studies and would actually perpetuate inequality due to only rich people being able to afford to continue these career paths.

If you want to be a doctor, go to medical school in a third world shithole: it's both cheaper, and less burdened with busywork and clown world mental gymnastic curriculum