VP Keys Quests should not be in game

[reznor_]

I would have been fine if the VP quest pieces weren't in game until VP launched. As long as Trakanon dropped his teeth. But I don't think that's how it was done on blue, and I'm assuming that was just a feature which was ported over here. Also, remember the timelines are really accelerated.

[Delekhan]

Originally Posted by nphixion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the record, I’m not advocating for people to be miserable. I’m only advocating for a VP raiding scene that is consistent with classic Everquest. Similar to how at least 2 members of the P99 green community were manufacturing scrolls to level to 60 instantly, we shouldn’t have key manufacturing for a dungeon that doesn’t exist yet.

Also to remind folks, the point of this thread isn’t to speculate how to improve key manufacturing. But please feel free to make your own post!

Can you elaborate on this Scroll theory you have? I fail to understand how they are related. Scrolls theoretically can be used to cheese to 60 on Classic but nobody would pay $300 a month to hold on to scrolls so it's a moot point. The very fact that you can create an infinite number of free accounts makes that possible and the nerf necessary.

[Wfrench1234]

So...I was in Afterlife during Kunark (I was a Paladin named Caden...if you go back to the Afterlife website from 2000 you can see my Dark Elf mask Paladin corpse out in front of one of our first Trak kills. It took us awhile to key up for VP because we had no idea what to do to get keys. We knew trak teeth were for something...so we made sure our upper tier people had them (read: not paladins at first) but we weren’t working on the quest for the key actively and I’m almost positive the quest AND the related mobs like Verix were even in the game at Kunark launch. Our first real attempt at VP we got Silverwing down and had some close runs at Hoshkar. We got more people keys and eventually were able to throw enough bodies at each dragon to get them down, but yeah the whole process took about 4 months from when we started actively questing for keys (we had plenty of trak teeth prior), and as far as I know we got every single trak kill for at least the first 6 months of Kunark. The entire thing was such a slog I ended up quitting shortly after VP and didn’t look back until I found P99 in 2014. Hope this clears some stuff up.

[nphixion]

Originally Posted by Delekhan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you elaborate on this Scroll theory you have? I fail to understand how they are related. Scrolls theoretically can be used to cheese to 60 on Classic but nobody would pay $300 a month to hold on to scrolls so it's a moot point. The very fact that you can create an infinite number of free accounts makes that possible and the nerf necessary.

GMs nerfed scrolls despite it being a moot point - to your point. Which is my point. My apologies in advance but you'd have to read my other points in this thread why I think the scroll nerf is so closely related to disallowing keys.

Perhaps the key items being removed from game that I'm suggesting is enough to stand on its own knowing that top guilds in Everquest Live were not able to progress in VP until post-Velious.

[nphixion]

Originally Posted by Wfrench1234 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So...I was in Afterlife during Kunark (I was a Paladin named Caden...if you go back to the Afterlife website from 2000 you can see my Dark Elf mask Paladin corpse out in front of one of our first Trak kills. It took us awhile to key up for VP because we had no idea what to do to get keys. We knew trak teeth were for something...so we made sure our upper tier people had them (read: not paladins at first) but we weren’t working on the quest for the key actively and I’m almost positive the quest AND the related mobs like Verix were even in the game at Kunark launch. Our first real attempt at VP we got Silverwing down and had some close runs at Hoshkar. We got more people keys and eventually were able to throw enough bodies at each dragon to get them down, but yeah the whole process took about 4 months from when we started actively questing for keys (we had plenty of trak teeth prior), and as far as I know we got every single trak kill for at least the first 6 months of Kunark. The entire thing was such a slog I ended up quitting shortly after VP and didn’t look back until I found P99 in 2014. Hope this clears some stuff up.

Thank you for this anecdote! I'm very grateful to the community producing these tidbits of information. Totally exceeds my expectations. Again, the point of this thread is to remind folks that GMs have made modifications to this server to mimic the classic experience. The GMs didn't see how leveling 1-60 in one day as an Iksar would be classic so they nerfed scrolls. I am pleading the GMs to consider if manufacturing keys for a dungeon that doesn't exist yet is truly classic.

Based on the anecdotes shared from people in <Afterlife> or snippets from guild marketing (etc), its clear that the top guilds in the early 2000s were not farming keys for their toons prior to VP release. I don't think that farming keys should be allowed here.

[getsome]

VP zone was launched with kunark.

[Thulian]

you guys realize this was created from a copy of titanium and every single little thing has to be deleted out right?

[nphixion]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VP zone was launched with kunark.

VP was released June 2000 which is not the Kunark expansion release date. Can’t make this stuff up.

[nphixion]

Originally Posted by Thulian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you guys realize this was created from a copy of titanium and every single little thing has to be deleted out right?

No idea. I’m a civil engineer 😂

[getsome]

Screenshots of VP were posted by rogue GM/Guide as early as April 2000.