2020 Election MEGAthread

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the global economy collapsed due to a pandemic, thats Trumps fault? So we would have seen the collapse without C19? Bold thing to claim in the middle of a great economy. Or was the booming economy because of work Obama did?

No I'm saying that trumps spending compared to Obama's first year, show that trump had no reason to spend as much as he did and he almost matched the guy that had every reason to spend as much as he did because we were rebuilding during painful economic collapse.

I also grantee that if trump loses the Dow Jones will go down and stay down to around 24 or 26, because the economy around it during the Trump presidency is based on the contingent that he will continue to remain invulnerable while he does his radical swamp draining that is anything but conservative, and raking in huge amounts of money for the already wealthy in deregulation.

Its all a scam. It's emperors new clothes. Its temporary. And when it all comes crashing down, like it did at the end of Bush, and it will at the end of Trump, you'll blame the democrat who won the election.

[Jibartik]

lol I guess I just said "so lets just keep voting for trump forever or were doomed for a collapse" so I guess do that lol I dont care.

Just can we just call him out when he bold face lies and stop pretending hes right when he does? That's all I ask. Please dont try to convince me that he didn't suggest injecting disinfectant, and try to site all these examples about how maybe it could, when while you're aruging with people about that he comes out and said he was just joking.

plzzzzz can we just call him out instead of pretending he isnt full of shit, that's all I need to maintain sanity during all this.

Oh yeah and also with his antagonistic behavior, can he please stop it with that? I'm sick of thinking I am going to have to be in a civil war over this stupid crap.

[Jibartik]

(also bushes crash happened during bush so maybe perpetual motion(economy) isn't real after all)

[BarnabusCollins]

Verily, verily, I say unto you. The dead are not alive. And the Living One will never die.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enjoy

Tell me more about how the financial epicenter of the world is in trouble because they "owe" fake money to the Chinese. The Chinese who don't produce anything but junk and steal IP. You like to peacock around here like you're an authority on world affairs and you repeatedly cow-tow to the CCP.

If you believe we're in trouble because of our trade deficit I suggest you look into why it's nearly impossible for the country who's currency is the standard globally to not run a deficit.

Iran was great once, it's a dump now because of folks like you who likely flocked to America for more opportunity instead of lifting up your own people. Bed, meet Patriam1066 zZzzzZZzzz

It had nothing to do with the United States toppling a duly elected prime minister in 1953. Give me a break. As for leaving, I was taken out of Iran by my parents to Pakistan, then the UAE, at age 9, because it wasn’t safe for bahais.

As for the trade deficit, that was a comment in response to “Trump is holding China accountable.” He is not. As for why we must run deficits, the “supply of currency” argument is one promoted by economists. The same group who explain why 0% interest is good. As ive posited, I do not believe housing prices being 10x the average wage (where we’re headed) is a good thing, that course being the consequence of 0% interest rates

Bottom line: Trump fixed zero of our long term issues, but he did introduce new violations of norms, like challenging elections. Interesting, since he was elected and had the house and senate for half of his first term. Those things are the first steps towards collapse of the system, as happened in Rome following the second Punic war.

If you were smarter, you’d realize people who believe the things you do destroyed Iran and will destroy America, and that someone like myself, who has witnessed one country collapse due to the stupidity and shortsightedness of Americans, doesn’t want to see another country fall. The institutions are absolutely critical. A president challenging the elections needs to be repudiated BIGLY

It’s immaterial. If the senate is lost, you’re going to either double down on Trumpism or realize how deeply unpopular it is. Then you have to decide whether you become a principled conservative or a dumb ass, who talks to an iranian about how Iran collapsed while conveniently ignoring a century of British and American policy designed to subjugate a people

Sima 2020

[Woke Locc]

Most of the Trump Deficit is from revenue cuts.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you define for me? And give me example(s) of how trump does it better than those people? Because I dont see it.

Lol no that's cool.

Or wait...

"Conservatism is what Trump does."

I think a circular definition a most useful tool against cherry-picking don't you think? It eliminates any "but what about this?" arguments gracefully. Like if I go 'here are six reasons why Trump is conservative' and you come back with 'here's one why he's not!', I can go 'see my definition' instead of spending tons of time arguing why those six things are way more important than your specific one example.

[Woke Locc]

Conservatism is when Trump does the things the GOP claims to want but really doesn't.

The base doesn't know any better.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bottom line: Trump fixed zero of our long term issues,

Obama creating a long-term issue:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/polit...ash/index.html

The money was flown into Iran on wooden pallets stacked with Swiss francs, euros and other currencies as the first installment of a $1.7 billion settlement resolving claims at an international tribunal at The Hague over a failed arms deal under the time of the Shah.

Trump fixing a long-term issue:

https://strategypage.com/on_point/20201020214731.aspx

In 2017, the Trump administration re-imposed economic sanctions with the goals of stopping Iran's nuclear weapons program and penalizing the regime's malign behavior, such as its vicious oppression of its own people, its waging of proxy wars, its engaging in transnational crime and its seeding violence globally.

U.S. sanctions have the devalued Iran's currency. StrategyPage.com recently reported that in 2015, one U.S. dollar bought 32,000 Iranian rials (open market rate). In September 2020, 260,000 rials bought a buck. Now it takes 315,000. Note Iranian companies importing food and medicine have a subsidized official exchange rate: 42,000 rials to the dollar.

The regime survived the arms embargo, but 2020 rials don't buy the guns they did in 2015. Sanctions have slashed the rial's war-making ability. Weapons aren't food and medicine. Russian and Chinese weapons suppliers expect hard cash or oil.

Analysts estimate Iran's GDP will shrink 8% this year.

Obama creating a long-term issue:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/w...ea-threat.html

Rather than negotiate, Mr. Obama imposed a policy of “strategic patience,” hoping that through sanctions and espionage, the United States could wait out the isolated state.

Mr. Obama hoped that the North would eventually feel it had reason to negotiate and make a good-faith effort at talks. Instead the North pursued its weapons program and launched a series of cyberattacks on American businesses, including Sony Pictures.

Trump fixing a long-term issue:

“Comrade Kim Jong Un, the State Affairs Commission chairman, feels very sorry to give big disappointment to President Moon Jae-in and South Korean citizens because an unexpected, unfortunate incident happened” Suh Hoon, adviser to South Korean President Moon Jae-in said, citing the North Korean apology.

It is highly uncommon for North Korea to apologize over any of its actions regarding South Korea, the wire service noted.

I just want to note for anyone not observant is that Obama capitulated on US sovereignty when dealing with a terrorist regime. Literally. Some court in the fucking Hague told him he should pay the Iranians because we kept their money after some pre-revolutionary Iran arms deal. And he was like yes sir! Here is a pallet of swiss franks on your tarmac. That fucking imbecile! He should have printed out this picture https://cdn.britannica.com/92/158492...ber-9-1979.jpg wrote FUCK YOU on it and sent that instead.

Trump did say fuck you and also assassinated their main asshole in public. Better? Worse? History will judge later, but I think I'm good.

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It had nothing to do with the United States toppling a duly elected prime minister in 1953. Give me a break. As for leaving, I was taken out of Iran by my parents to Pakistan, then the UAE, at age 9, because it wasn’t safe for bahais.

Please tell me how this example alone doesn't eliminate your comparisons to America, this isn't something that has happened to anyone living in the USA for over 100 Years. America is the greatest country to be born into or move to as any combination of gender/race/religion the world has ever known. Iran doesn't have a claim on that title in it's entire lengthy existence and quite likely has the claim on it's inverse for segments of it's existence.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for the trade deficit, that was a comment in response to “Trump is holding China accountable.” He is not. As for why we must run deficits, the “supply of currency” argument is one promoted by economists. The same group who explain why 0% interest is good. As ive posited, I do not believe housing prices being 10x the average wage (where we’re headed) is a good thing, that course being the consequence of 0% interest rates

Is he doing everything right when it comes to China? Certainly not. Is he doing more than any other president in my lifetime? Yes, by far.

No one wants 0% interest rates, nice strawman.

Housing prices are not great globally but again, the US is not anything to get worried about on this front. Quit spreading lies or quit reading crap news.
Housing Market Facts across the globe

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bottom line: Trump fixed zero of our long term issues,

We would have to agree on long-term issues before you start to throw this claim around.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But he did introduce new violations of norms, like challenging elections. Interesting, since he was elected and had the house and senate for half of his first term. Those things are the first steps towards collapse of the system, as happened in Rome following the second Punic war.

He has not challenged elections, this is yet another white supremacy line of faux news you eat up because you are just out here confirming your bias. Trump isn't the boogeyman. Do you think introducing an untested voting format in THIS election is a wise idea when there is no reason we can't hold mostly normal voting processes? If you are going to pretend mail in voting isn't ripe with opportunity to be exploited then you aren't to be taken seriously.

What about the left challenging norms? You know like men are men, women are women and 8 year olds shouldn't be allowed to change gender? You don't think that crap has far reach? Please.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you were smarter, you’d realize people who believe the things you do destroyed Iran and will destroy America, and that someone like myself, who has witnessed one country collapse due to the stupidity and shortsightedness of Americans, doesn’t want to see another country fall. The institutions are absolutely critical. A president challenging the elections needs to be repudiated BIGLY

You speak of institutions, yet you aren't saying much about the left wanting to pack the court, expand the senate by adding states, removing the filibuster, using impeachment as a political tool. THOSE are institutions that if compromised could cause serious long-term issues. But sure, our President using crass language is going to destroy us. Makes sense.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s immaterial. If the senate is lost, you’re going to either double down on Trumpism or realize how deeply unpopular it is. Then you have to decide whether you become a principled conservative or a dumb ass, who talks to an iranian about how Iran collapsed while conveniently ignoring a century of British and American policy designed to subjugate a people

No you see that's not how politics work here. We don't end up falling apart because of our system in place. If your side loses you don't throw a fit, you accept it and move on because politics at the Federal level here has very little impact locally. This system has brought the globe out of poverty. World Hunger is essentially a non-issue now due to the West, primarily America. Sorry your state couldn't stand up to the changing times and refused to adapt. No one cares about Iran because they are a terrorist state lead by warlords. I suggest you hold onto your fond memories of the way it once was, but quit trying to draw parallels across the globe to why your home country got rolled over by violence.