Bard AoE kiting screenshot thread!

[Kraftwerk]

Just a heads up fellow Bards, we're not all saints so it seems and I wanted to let you guys know about a Bard I met today who was nothing but rude to me and the zone I was in. As we all know Overthere is Bard heaven, but we have to be considerate as well, I personally take anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes gathering, then 5-8 minutes killing my kite. I start, and 30 min later my kite is dead. I rarely hear any chatter in ooc about mob disruption and things generally go smoothly. Today I logged into OT with plans to do a kite or two depending on who was online (I have a few OT regulars I like to invite to group and help lvl from my kites).

Anyways, I noticed a bard named Hellic was running around with a sizeable kite, this was around 7:10 PM so he had probably started at 6:50-6:55 gathering. I started collecting and was running around near the pillars in front of SF and saw Hellic still running around with his pack, this was at ~7:25. He was running towards mobs getting prox/social agro using his pack. I noted this and kept gathering what I could. By about 7:30 I was heading to my spot (on the north shore just east of Outpost), I got there and noticed he was there just starting to kill his kite. It was at this point that OOC began to get rowdy and people were complaining that a bard had killed their group was deprived of mobs for the past few hours, etc.

I remembered that Hellic had spent quite a long time (maybe 40min) before he had started killing his pack and used social agro instead of a chant on some of his mobs. I then saw Hellic's corpse nearby and saw that he had died recently so I figured maybe he was relatively new to kiting and needed a few pointers. During my lvling up and expanding of my AE kiting knowledge I've had bards ask me for advice and I've offered it to others. I've only ever encountered polite and nice Bards - Jonahlee, Tewaz, Brezner, Cutco, Lightspeed, Zalgyr, the list goes on and on and I couldn't possibly name them all. Hellic rubbed me the wrong way, I don't appreciate his disdain for the rest of people in Overthere, or his responses to me after approaching him with advice. Read below, and stear CLEAR of HELLIC:

What I said first:

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His response:

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I apologize for sullying this good thread with these non-kite pictures, but I wanted to be sure others knew about this.

[naekko]

Let me get this straight, you accused him of training and he got angry at you and denied it? And apparently you had some issue with him previously where you kited near him? Did you see him train this group?

Thanks for the screenshots.

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by naekko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me get this straight, you accused him of training and he got angry at you and denied it? And apparently you had some issue with him previously where you kited near him? Did you see him train this group?

Thanks for the screenshots.

As shown above, I said "I suspect your prox agro was what caused that group's death". I never said "You trained them". If I did something that may have caused a train, I would certainly want someone to bring it to my attention right away and would appreciate their having let me know.

During the time we were both online (Between 7PM and 8PM) I had gathered my kite and brought it to my normal area, the north shore east of Outpost like I'd been doing since lvl 32. I saw him at this same location, it is a very popular spot for Bards to kite since it close to our bind point. I moved away from him, approximately 100-200 ft closer to Outpost so as our kites would not interfere. They didn't and I was able to kite without any extra lag, so I assume he was able to as well.

The point isn't that I was accusing him of training, which I was not. I had merely been pointing out that OOC was stirring with Bard hate and we need to be considerate. What I wanted to bring attention to was someone's first response to a stranger being his cursing and rudeness. Everytime someone has brought something to my attention or given me advice I don't respond the way he did. I take it into consideration and thank them for their time. If they feel I slighted them, I even apologize. His behavior is what I have a problem with, I found it unsuitable for representing Bards as a whole.

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PS - Those screenshots above are the very first and only time I have ever contacted him, I had no prior run ins.

[naekko]

I've seen Hellic in OT a few times and he uses chants to pull (I've mistakenly chanted on his mobs to pull and they've stuck). I've spoken to him on my bard and have never had issues with him. Reading the screenshots as a neutral party, you did accuse him of training in your opening tells. I'm not sure how you can see that as anything but accusing. Coming from that standpoint I can see how he'd be defensive especially if you'd had run ins in the past.

I'm done with this offtopic though, I have no issues with Hellic.

[Tewaz]

^^Hellic

[Pescador]

If another bard is kiting in "your" spot you shouldn't kite anywhere close to him. I can see why he is annoyed. TBH I'd be annoyed too if someone sent me tells the way you did, where your first two tells suggest he's been training a group, then give him unsolicited advice.

[Mcbard]

I seem to recall a similar incident with your mage Kraft in which you accused me of stealing a mob from you in /ooc and when I reacted by saying that I had no clue what you were talking about and let you know that I didn't appreciate what you had said you began to argue with me and later reported me over it because you didn't want to argue with me about it, and you turned out being wrong.

In regards to this situation you've accused the guy of training and I think I would be a little upset with you too. Perhaps you need to work on how you handle these situations and not belittle/lecture people in such channels. Not sure how it was any of your business what this guy was doing anyway as it should have been between the group he theoretically, accidently, trained and himself. I'd be pretty pissed at you too. Might want to work on that.

Edit: Also I've seen Hellic around and he seems like a nice guy. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lazortag]

Kraftwerk was civil the entire time, and even if his first tell could be interpreted as an accusation of training, that doesn't give Hellic a license to be rude. It's clear that Kraft was trying to help him, his intention wasn't to be a dick, so I don't see what prevented Hellic from responding politely and saying "sorry, I don't pull using prox aggro, you might be mistaken". Instead the first thing he says to him is "I suspect you might be an idiot". Why is anyone defending this?

Mctard, your experience with Kraft isn't relevant to this thread or this argument at all. Take it to RnF if you want, just keep that shit out of my thread (unless it's somehow aoe kiting related).

I don't feel any more of a need to defend Kraft since he did a perfectly fine job of that in his last post, which everyone seems to have ignored. Great reading comprehension guys!

[Tewaz]

All of my interactions with Tuneyards/Kraftwerk have been awesome in game. He just wants to help people out so he offers advice. If you have an attitude of wanting to improve your gameplay then his tells are awesome.
If you think you know it all and screw everybody else, then you might have a reaction like this gentleman did.
/shrug
That guy might also have been frustrated because he just died and trained people and was feeling bad, but you never know.
It is sad that people can't respond to other human beings with some respect, instead flaming them and acting like complete a holes, but what can you do, its their choice.

I do still think that naekko and/or pescador is hellic.

[Tewaz]

Oh and Giegue can you tell me your AoE leveling path from 46 to 60? I know you did some burning wood and some raptors in TD but I would like to know at what levels you did them, method, etc. for a guide I am putting together. Thank you sir in advance.