CORONAVIRUS Death Thread

[Patriam1066]

If there were a vaccine, do you think it would matter in the US? I’m guessing half the population would refuse to be inoculated

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there were a vaccine, do you think it would matter in the US? I’m guessing half the population would refuse to be inoculated

Why is that a problem for those that do choose to undertake the vaccination?

I mean, don't vaccines immunize one's self from infection? If so, then why does it matter if others choose to remain susceptible to the virus, as it literally can't affect you, or anyone else who chose to get vaccinated?

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is that a problem for those that do choose to undertake the vaccination?

I mean, don't vaccines immunize one's self from infection? If so, then why does it matter if others choose to remain susceptible to the virus, as it literally can't affect you, or anyone else who chose to get vaccinated?

I'm not an anti/pro "vaccer" or anything, but the situation is probably a bit more complicated than you might think. If human individuals are not vaccinated, what might happen is the virus infects someone but this virus mutates in this non-immunized host -- significantly enough that it is no longer be affected by the previous immunization.

Though somewhat different but along the same lines is the general reduction in doctors prescribing antibiotics, despite the fact they often work well and could serious improve a variety of situations patients might find themselves in, they can create resistant strains of bacteria, potentially rendering that very antibiotic useless.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not an anti/pro "vaccer" or anything, but the situation is probably a bit more complicated than you might think. If human individuals are not vaccinated, what might happen is the virus infects someone but this virus mutates in this non-immunized host -- significantly enough that it is no longer be affected by the previous immunization.

Though somewhat different but along the same lines is the general reduction in doctors prescribing antibiotics, despite the fact they often work well and could serious improve a variety of situations patients might find themselves in, they can create resistant strains of bacteria, potentially rendering that very antibiotic useless.

This is fallacious thinking. First of all, there are already mutations extant so they will constantly be chasing their tail to create new vaccinations that target new mutations, and the research time is too lengthy to keep up with the mutations.

Second of all, the vaccines being researched are not your standard dead-bacteria vaccines designed to stimulate counter-antibody production, they are mRNA vaccinations that essentially alter your genome.

Third of all, Unless the populace was simultaneously vaccinated with a synchronized clock, gradual vaccination can not provide the safeguards against mutations detailed in your premise.


So, again, if vaccination is designed to immunize ones self against a known strain of the virus, and that is successful, then why is everyone else required to innoculate in order for your vaccination to be effective, and how do you propose the mechanics of a synchronized global innoculation program?

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is fallacious thinking. First of all, there are already mutations extant so they will constantly be chasing their tail to create new vaccinations that target new mutations, and the research time is too lengthy to keep up with the mutations.

Sure there are mutations already. The point is, have they mutated enough that the previous immunization is rendered obsolete?

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Second of all, the vaccines being researched are not your standard dead-bacteria vaccines designed to stimulate counter-antibody production, they are mRNA vaccinations that essentially alter your genome.

Modality of immunization doesn't really matter for what is being talked about here, though mrna might make it easier/quicker to address a new strain, it doesn't prevent a new strain from appearing.

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Third of all, Unless the populace was simultaneously vaccinated with a synchronized clock, gradual vaccination can not provide the safeguards against mutations detailed in your premise.

Not safe, safer.

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, again, if vaccination is designed to immunize ones self against a known strain of the virus, and that is successful, then why is everyone else required to innoculate in order for your vaccination to be effective, and how do you propose the mechanics of a synchronized global innoculation program?

The more people essentially incubating the virus/bacteria, the more likely that you eventually end up with a problematic mutant. It's really not that complicated.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure there are mutations already. The point is, have they mutated enough that the previous immunization is rendered obsolete?



Modality of immunization doesn't really matter for what is being talked about here, though mrna might make it easier/quicker to address a new strain, it doesn't prevent a new strain from appearing.



Not safe, safer.



The more people essentially incubating the virus/bacteria, the more likely that you eventually end up with a problematic mutant. It's really not that complicated.

My body, my choice...or is that only solid rationale when it comes to murdering babies?

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My body, my choice...or is that only solid rationale when it comes to murdering babies?

You're not a human being unless you have a social security number. I mean yeah, it's a mild simplification of the current US foreign policy but can we agree to it internally please? This way we don't have to swim through pools of decaying baby tissue on the way to a real argument? We've been smashing their little heads on the rocks for eons now and it's never going to stop. Let's move on.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My body, my choice...or is that only solid rationale when it comes to murdering babies?

I wasn't aware someone was compelling you to get a vaccination. Who exactly would that be?

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, don't vaccines immunize one's self from infection? If so, then why does it matter if others choose to remain susceptible to the virus, as it literally can't affect you, or anyone else who chose to get vaccinated?

This is how you know you literally know nothing about medicine. Just a drone salivating over facebook and reddit posts. You should probably read up on herd immunity and why it's important.