How strong a Shaman that never gets Torpor?

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mashing mobs together with charm dancing on my bard is a bit tougher to solo all the mobs in skyshrine with my bard but playing Enchanter is ludecrously easier then people make it out to be. Its just too ridiculously powerful with 0 skill and if you put in effort you're a god. If you want a god class as easily and cheaply as possible, Enchanter is your answer.

If you think enchanter is 0 skill you're not playing at an appropriate level of complexity.

[Cen]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think enchanter is 0 skill you're not playing at an appropriate level of complexity.

You used that fallacious line of reasoning backwards. You're supposed to say that when the person is complaining that something is ineffective when it's actually effective. However, if a dumbass like me is saying he considers something ridiculously easy and effective, then someone playing at "an appropriate level of complexity" must make the class a god.

Unless you're saying that I am too amazing and playing too well and should be trying less hard on purpose.. but that seems like an even more silly thing to say.

[GnomeCaptain]

Ignore the trolls, Enchanter is one of the toughest (if not the toughest) to play well.

I've played it for a couple years, and long ago I lost count of all the Enchanters that try very hard but can't do it well. The reward for skill and planning is enormous. And so are the penalties for their absence.

Other classes are much less challenging, though soloing in dynamic situations as a Bard might be tougher.

[turbosilk]

Best is ench. Shaman are pretty subpar without torpor.

[kjs86z]

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You used that fallacious line of reasoning backwards. You're supposed to say that when the person is complaining that something is ineffective when it's actually effective. However, if a dumbass like me is saying he considers something ridiculously easy and effective, then someone playing at "an appropriate level of complexity" must make the class a god.

Unless you're saying that I am too amazing and playing too well and should be trying less hard on purpose.. but that seems like an even more silly thing to say.

Try the Enchanter Solo Artist Challenge sometime in Velious and lemme know how ya make out.

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best is ench. Shaman are pretty subpar without torpor.

Yeah but an ench would be too without a spell that their class gets... weird point.

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by Entee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always remember people saying Enchanter was the hardest class to play and took the most skill?

It still is, generally.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah but an ench would be too without a spell that their class gets... weird point.

An Enchanter isn't likely going to miss any of his key spells because they're usually cheap. Visions of Grandeur and Bedlam are probably the most expensive Enchanter spells on average and neither of them are mandatory for doing the things an Enchanter can do. The Enchanter has no counterpart to Torpor in terms of difficulty of obtaining combined with critical importance.

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A Shaman who lacks Torpor can perform his normal group and raid roles just like he always has--after all, few people tell a 58 or 59 Shaman not to show up. The class is undeniably weaker for solo or duo situations and can't so easily handle solo main healer job for groups. As good as Torpor is, if you're the sort of player who semi-retires a character upon hitting 60 to the occasional group and some raiding you can live without Torpor and Malo arguably becomes the more important level 60 spell.

Danth

[Bigsham]

Torpor is not that rare or hard to get at all, it drops from every crappy dragon , juggs, bosses etc

as long as you are active you will get it

[douglas1999]

Yeah that's true, but it's still a question of given all available spells gear and abilities, who can solo the hardest things? Or you can measure it by some other metric of course, but I do think that's the most important one to consider. I mean tbh both classes are insanely op, so it's sorta like rich guys arguing over who has a bigger golden yacht.