TLP live server better than green p99

[White_knight]

TLPs are fun - if you treat them as throw away servers because after 3-6 months there start to die fast. But they are a great relief from the classic grind of p99.

P99 has a higher pop because it's free and alot of P99 players are dead broke (no offence). Also... let's not forget because it's the closest to classic any server is and lots (a few 1000) enjoy this type of play. Also it runs on 15 year old potatoes..see first point about been broke.

OP is correct on the boxing...gms have no clue actually how much boxing goes on these servers, bless them though they do try to limit boxing by catching out the easy targets so the ban works for non-techie players.

My estimate would be 50% of porters are boxed and atleast 75% of traders in EC are too.

Both types of servers are fun...for a period of time and you need breaks from both to keep the flame going.

[magnetaress]

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[jolanar]

I unironically enjoy EQ Live. I haven't really messed with the TLP servers because I figured: why not just play P99 for that content.

I wouldn't mind playing through Omens and onward to around Underfoot group content though just because those are eras I never really played on Live. Unfortunately the servers die before then.

I'm probably going to roll a solo toon on Aradune and see how bad the boxing is. If the boxing is still rampant I'll just switch to Rizlona. I wouldn't mind three boxing my way through group content in those middling expansions.

[magnetaress]

I played with a kid 3 boxing on mangler yesterday, not sure how they afford their krono habit but they do!

They offered me 1st dibs on loot I couldn't even use and they actually had naked spots that could have used it, I passed on it twice so their cleric and tank could have a nice chain shirt.

Anyway, people say like, selos, is dead, but I believe selos is quite alive, just good luck convincing people to raid earlier content.

In some way TLP's really hurt the game because people don't focus on making communities to explore OoW for example and instead rely on the TLP 'catching up' and then doing it then.

There shouldn't be TLPs, people should have to complete the raid achievements for each expansion @ level b4 they can move into the later levels and expansions, but this would hurt the $$$ pixel $$$ flow real bad, it wouldn't have in the beginning, I believe the community could have learned to appreciate this and it would have been helpful before they started trying to compete with wow power scaling between expansions.

There use to be more incentive to do earlier content and get ready for later content. Not so much now.

Maybe Darkpaw can be convinced to evaluate this idea for a boxing allowed server with selos exp, all expansions, AoCs enabled. In the near term future after Aradune and Rizlona have shrunk to their core communities. --- all content available at launch --- but achievment gated per character, so guilds have incentive to catch people up and do earlier raids via the DZ system.

[magnetaress]

All of this said, on live, at max lvls or near max lvls you only need 6 or so friends to 'beat' the previous expansions. I don't see how impossible it could be to make a few buddies that want to do similair things, there's got to be a least a few thousand people on this planet who don't mind looting +10 earings instead of +100 earings.

On wow i ran pick up groups where I organized (and kicked bad players) to do the previous expansions content using their group finder tool, which is pretty good actuaully. After several runs, it was possible to get a group of people who wanted to run it a few times for vanity items or just because they liked doing the old raid with 3 or 4 people instead of 40. In this way I was able to complete most of the old expansion before the Lizard Lady Queen of the Oceans BFA mini expac.

[magnetaress]

Personally, I like doing content @ level once when it was hard, then overlvl and twinked thereafter if I just want to RP an elf maiden.

I am not at all invested in the perpetual nuclear winter that Velious locked servers and end game are. It's boring. Though I really appreciate the challenge of the lower lvls and 'starting out'. from scatch, ish.

[Bardp1999]

Originally Posted by Sibelia1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

umm ya but p99 is unplayably crowded since 2011 xD

have you thought of a single idea for addressing this? or u still like p99velious?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean the obvious choice is to have a larger world, but that doesn't vibe with P99s vision. P99 custom content would be fantastic (IE expand the world with more higher end zones), but seeing as how remaking Velious took like 5 years I cant imagine how long custom content would take (and half the pop would bitch about it).

Once Kunark comes out P99 becomes a lot more 'playable', but even then I would be 100% down for Luclin and PoP set in the P99 universe (level 60 max, down graded loot, ect) - I would even like some basic AA's, call me crazy!

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean the obvious choice is to have a larger world, but that doesn't vibe with P99s vision. P99 custom content would be fantastic (IE expand the world with more higher end zones), but seeing as how remaking Velious took like 5 years I cant imagine how long custom content would take (and half the pop would bitch about it).

Once Kunark comes out P99 becomes a lot more 'playable', but even then I would be 100% down for Luclin and PoP set in the P99 universe (level 60 max, down graded loot, ect) - I would even like some basic AA's, call me crazy!

U can't trust neckbeards to make custom content that will not be about number stroking and have any value towards RP or exploration and diversity of the base universe.

It is impossible. These people are not the ones that should be producing content for consumption of anyone other than people who want to progress from a 10/40 to a 80/40. 2HS only.

Sad but that is reality, and there will be grinds, and randomness included, but you will never see true expansion and exploration until this mentality is destroyed.

Every single project thus far, and I fear even pantheon in its end, will result in this failure of human imagination to reach beyond it's own self flatulations.

[Sibelia1]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean the obvious choice is to have a larger world, but that doesn't vibe with P99s vision. P99 custom content would be fantastic (IE expand the world with more higher end zones), but seeing as how remaking Velious took like 5 years I cant imagine how long custom content would take (and half the pop would bitch about it).

Once Kunark comes out P99 becomes a lot more 'playable', but even then I would be 100% down for Luclin and PoP set in the P99 universe (level 60 max, down graded loot, ect) - I would even like some basic AA's, call me crazy!

doesn't "vibe", how about releaseing the database then hmmmmmmm????????

[Sibelia1]

Originally Posted by White_knight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TLPs are fun - if you treat them as throw away servers because after 3-6 months there start to die fast. But they are a great relief from the classic grind of p99.

P99 has a higher pop because it's free and alot of P99 players are dead broke (no offence). Also... let's not forget because it's the closest to classic any server is and lots (a few 1000) enjoy this type of play. Also it runs on 15 year old potatoes..see first point about been broke.

OP is correct on the boxing...gms have no clue actually how much boxing goes on these servers, bless them though they do try to limit boxing by catching out the easy targets so the ban works for non-techie players.

My estimate would be 50% of porters are boxed and atleast 75% of traders in EC are too.

Both types of servers are fun...for a period of time and you need breaks from both to keep the flame going.

all mmo servers were all ways throwaway