Merging Made Sense Then COVID-19 - Unmerge

[cd288]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't solo farm and have a group of RL friends and family that group up and play. I won't make false assumptions here and hope that you too have RL friends and family you group with. Otherwise I don't see the point of playing.

Don’t play then. If it’s so terrible for you, take a break until Kunark. Or switch your static group to the TLPs. Fact of the matter is, EQ pre-Kunark has always been a tough game for a full group to play because unless the server has really low population there will be groups in places and those groups will just be replacing single people as they leave. It’s just a fact of EQ life. IMO it’s a pretty ridiculous argument to demand a new server because you have a full group and don’t like that you can’t just slide into the camp with your full group all at once. Expecting that to be the case in pre-Kunark EQ was and is simply unrealistic on your part.

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When they spun off new servers pre-Kunark it was when those servers were well over 2k population. So this whole argument is basically moot since we aren’t even close to that.

As for the precedent on P99, Teal was created as a temporary measure to help with having 300+ people in all the newbie zones. Highly doubt they’re going to create another server just because you don’t like having to wait in line for a popular camp so that you can farm some loot or plat. Sounds like the TLPs may be the best choice for you since you essentially want pick zones or instances.

Please post your proof of servers were and had to be over 2k population. I'm interested in seeing that.

Please follow that up with proof that server raids, which were all open server on my server Tunare, had 300 people raiding in Fear and 150 people show up to Vox at 4:30 AM ET.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please post your proof of servers were and had to be over 2k population. I'm interested in seeing that.

Please follow that up with proof that server raids, which were all open server on my server Tunare, had 300 people raiding in Fear and 150 people show up to Vox at 4:30 AM ET.

Did you not play pre-Kunark? For example, when they split Fennin Ro it was like 2.3k.

At any rate, again, expecting to come to a classic server with a pre-made static group and easily slide into camps is unrealistic on any server except that with very low population. Again, sounds like the TLPs would be what you guys are looking for since you can pick zone or instance. I’m not sure why you would play here if another populated server (the TLPs) has what you need

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you not play pre-Kunark? For example, when they split Fennin Ro it was like 2.3k.

At any rate, again, expecting to come to a classic server with a pre-made static group and easily slide into camps is unrealistic on any server except that with very low population. Again, sounds like the TLPs would be what you guys are looking for since you can pick zone or instance. I’m not sure why you would play here if another populated server (the TLPs) has what you need

Again, you can keep making false assumptions on my play history to make your case. Not sure why you aren't showing proof of your facts that servers were and had to be over 2k population. And the open server raids were over 100 people.

I don't recall the Tunare population but the raids were open server raids. I used to lead the Vox raids which were never more than 9 groups of people. Usually it was 7 to 8 groups and we needed a minimum of 7 to have a good shot at success. We couldn't scrape together that number of people serverwide until primetime so Vox would stay up until the evening CST. Here at 4:30 AM 150 people show up for an open server Vox raid. This would indicate that the server has more than triple a classic experience number of players. 300 people in fear indicates that the server has over 5x a classic experience number of players.

Back then my group of RL friends and family couldn't easily get into any camp. But the zones most certainly weren't singles and duos holding down the premier camps. Froglok king was always a full group. Frenzied was a full group. Lord was a full group. Efreeti was a full group and some. Stone spider was a full group. Singles and duos farming the 45+ content for 12+ hours and passing it to the next single/duo is not classic no matter how much you insist it is.

We're here for the classic experience we remember from Tunare. It was probabably as close as it was going to get before COVID-19 happened and a huge number of people are working from home and going to be working from home the rest of the year. Teal was temporarily stood up because of unclassic #s at the low end. Teal should be stood up again temporarily because of unclassic #s at the top end due to COVID-19.

[charliedoogan]

In my case I am not looking for an experience group. I am only looking for named groups because I need gear not exp. I have not been able to get Gear on the way up because I could only find experience groups. So what now?

I either get up at 4 AM and hope that my level 50 cleric can solo a camp, or buy the gear in EC. Which then... why play. I agree with turbo that level 50s handing off to level 50s is definitely an issue because even though I have been sitting in a camp for 5 to 6 hours waiting for a spot it’s simply not available because “my friend or guildie is coming to replace me”

And I totally agree that an extra server should not be a permanent thing. I just happen to see and I am reaping the detriments of this global pandemic

[cd288]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, you can keep making false assumptions on my play history to make your case. Not sure why you aren't showing proof of your facts that servers were and had to be over 2k population. And the open server raids were over 100 people.

I don't recall the Tunare population but the raids were open server raids. I used to lead the Vox raids which were never more than 9 groups of people. Usually it was 7 to 8 groups and we needed a minimum of 7 to have a good shot at success. We couldn't scrape together that number of people serverwide until primetime so Vox would stay up until the evening CST. Here at 4:30 AM 150 people show up for an open server Vox raid. This would indicate that the server has more than triple a classic experience number of players. 300 people in fear indicates that the server has over 5x a classic experience number of players.

Back then my group of RL friends and family couldn't easily get into any camp. But the zones most certainly weren't singles and duos holding down the premier camps. Froglok king was always a full group. Frenzied was a full group. Lord was a full group. Efreeti was a full group and some. Stone spider was a full group. Singles and duos farming the 45+ content for 12+ hours and passing it to the next single/duo is not classic no matter how much you insist it is.

We're here for the classic experience we remember from Tunare. It was probabably as close as it was going to get before COVID-19 happened and a huge number of people are working from home and going to be working from home the rest of the year. Teal was temporarily stood up because of unclassic #s at the low end. Teal should be stood up again temporarily because of unclassic #s at the top end due to COVID-19.

“You have to offer proof from a direct in era source or your claim isn’t relevant, but I’m going to make all these claims without offering proof and they must be taken as fact unless someone can offer proof to refute them.”

I was CSR in era. I can tell you things were packed because the complaints were constant and people were perpetually fighting over camps and spawns.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by charliedoogan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my case I am not looking for an experience group. I am only looking for named groups because I need gear not exp. I have not been able to get Gear on the way up because I could only find experience groups. So what now?

I either get up at 4 AM and hope that my level 50 cleric can solo a camp, or buy the gear in EC. Which then... why play. I agree with turbo that level 50s handing off to level 50s is definitely an issue because even though I have been sitting in a camp for 5 to 6 hours waiting for a spot it’s simply not available because “my friend or guildie is coming to replace me”

And I totally agree that an extra server should not be a permanent thing. I just happen to see and I am reaping the detriments of this global pandemic

I mean, EQ has always been a game where you’re more likely to buy the gear than farm or craft it...

[kjs86z]

Blue server is great for a group of static friends!

[Tuljin]

Originally Posted by charliedoogan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my case I am not looking for an experience group. I am only looking for named groups because I need gear not exp. I have not been able to get Gear on the way up because I could only find experience groups. So what now?

I either get up at 4 AM and hope that my level 50 cleric can solo a camp, or buy the gear in EC. Which then... why play. I agree with turbo that level 50s handing off to level 50s is definitely an issue because even though I have been sitting in a camp for 5 to 6 hours waiting for a spot it’s simply not available because “my friend or guildie is coming to replace me”

And I totally agree that an extra server should not be a permanent thing. I just happen to see and I am reaping the detriments of this global pandemic

What has happened on Green is that all the people that "went hard" since server launch have amassed piles of plat and continue to bogart the...3? named cash camps on the server 24/7. All the nubs to the server are completely broke and can't afford to buy gear. They join ~~~rAiD~~~ guilds and invest in DKP instead, where they can just sit with 100 people on a ~~~~~rAiD~~~~~ and get planar drops. The server fat cats (and ~~~~~~~rAiD gUiLd~~~~~~~ cabal) continue to sit on their piles of plat and gouge each other on prices of droppable gear, which is what they have been doing since the launch of the server.

A large issue is that nubs don't really understand the "fine steel game" while leveling - going to find mobs that drop items that vendor for a good bit of plat. There is no other way to generate plat while leveling. Even still, you can sell a ton of fine steel while leveling and you won't have enough money to spend 15k+ between 3 pieces of black sapphire jewelry after you've gotten all the other gear you need.

If you want to upgrade? Specifically for a Cleric? Go to Kedge and kill some stuff with a buddy. You can get an Abalone Gorget and you can also get a Prayer Shawl. The Kedge drops are very difficult to get however, and they do not sell. People have been trying to sell the rare Kedge caster/priest drops for insane amounts of plat because the mobs can't necessarily be soloed and they require a lot of time investment. Still, you never get the "payout" that comes with the "efficient" 24/7 cash camps that continue to churn out droppables yet the prices continue to plummet (Efreeti, Guk King, Guk Lord, and Guk Frenzy). Can be soloed and has items for melees that always sell.

Also, Kedge comes with a massive caveat - - you have to be "good" at EQ to kill the mobs. There's a reason why Kedge isn't farmed 24/7. I quit the Kedge farm game a while back because there is simply no "payout." There certainly wasn't when i was doing it several months ago. Maybe the same people who had piles of plat then and have even bigger piles of plat now are paying 30k for Squallsurge and Prayer Shawls, but I highly doubt it. The Wiki price logs are completely fucked. New players certainly don't have that kind of plat for a minimal upgrade. They never will.

Really to answer your question of what to do at 50? Honestly? And not to be an asshole? Roll an alt. Also, you need to realize that gear isn't important. You don't need to go buy a Pearl Kedge Totem. You don't need Black Sapphire ears. Go get a Skull Shaped Barbute, its really good and really cheap now.

The issue is is that the min/maxers and perennial server assholes have anything "valuable" on this server 24/7 rotated camped, including green mobs that drop anything halfway decent. There's a reason clickies were nerfed. There's a reason the highest value droppable item only sells for 10k now. There's a reason that Mithril 2handers went from 30k when they were first dropping (Nub Team price gouging their own guildies) to 7500 today, barely.

If Teal is relaunched it will just be the same shit, different server. And it will be the same people that are on Green doing the same camps and they will be two-boxing. Levels and toons are far more valuable than gear. When Kunark comes, and it will be a complete and absolute shitshow, things will open up a bit as far as gear availability is concerned. Between getting levels, getting keys, getting the necessary droppable upgrades, still attempting to bogart every single pop, not having Chardok AOE to crank alts to 60, and squabbling with other people the ~~~~~~~~~~~rAiDeRs~~~~~~~~~~~ have their work cut out for them.

[Rick Sanchez]

This is what made the original project 1999 release the closest thing there was to reliving the EQ experience. The population probably had something to do with it as hovered around the 500 mark, with initially having trouble breaking 200. It wasn’t 100% classic per say(getting full mana and health when you leveled etc) but the community was classic, everyone helped everyone, wasn’t toxic and the boards we’re memorable instead of filled with stay at home son’s that play this game like it’s there real life career. Some may argue that old servers back on live had thousands of people, yes that may be true but the entire population didn’t know what the fuck they we’re doing. This population knows everything there is to know about classic. Having another server was a good thing, I’d rather have two healthy servers then one toxic sewer. If for some reason (which highly unlikely, looks at red server still running) it’s a money issue I’m sure people wouldn’t mind donating to give themselves a much more authentic classic experience. Those two servers would fill out nicely, moving forward I don’t think population would ever be an issue. In the long term you wouldn’t have all the petitions about insignificant things and it would honestly lighten the load of the staff.