/list feature first phase completed - reviews and suggestions for the future

[Castle2.0]

Same bad ideas rehashed in new threads.

Go read all the old threads first to find out why your "original new FIX /list" idea is bad.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no way to fix this by tweaking the ruleset.

/list for a chance to kill the mob: fixes everything as far as I can see.

[sajbert]

This /list system was downright unhealthy, as in actually physically unhealthy.

It promoted account sharing, which isn’t recommended but somehow still allowed despite the obvious issues with it.

It is difficult to do as a person with actual real/life responsibilities.

It could be incredibly streaky. I saw 23 hours between J-boots drops, thus it’s a cointoss each attempt.



Thus, why not just make it so that you EITHER collect points each hour in queue OR that anyone who’s spent 1/5th of the time of the longest listed player gets a chance to roll on the item dropped. I.e. you can actually take a break and do it in segments.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This /list system was downright unhealthy, as in actually physically unhealthy.

It promoted account sharing, which isn’t recommended but somehow still allowed despite the obvious issues with it.

It is difficult to do as a person with actual real/life responsibilities.

It could be incredibly streaky. I saw 23 hours between J-boots drops, thus it’s a cointoss each attempt.



Thus, why not just make it so that you EITHER collect points each hour in queue OR that anyone who’s spent 1/5th of the time of the longest listed player gets a chance to roll on the item dropped. I.e. you can actually take a break and do it in segments.

whoever has the most played time should get the loot, veneration, respect your elders, once they loot it blocks them from list for 3 weeks IRL and subtracts a year or something from their played

[Jimjam]

Perhaps P1999 could partner up with some life coaches. When you win a list your account receives a suspension and you get some rehabilitation coaching.

Once your coach has given clearance your suspension is mitigated and you are allowed to access your account for up to 2 hours a day, 5 days a week, with one monthly 5 hour binge 'cheat day'. I'm not a monster.

After a season, all account restrictions will be released, but if you 'win' a list item again, you will require further coaching, with the possibility of being referred to therapy, and much harsher ban restrictions.

Lets not fix list - lets fix people!

[magnetaress]

life coaches voice grafting or gming the mobs in question would be fucking amazing, i got some shit to talk about

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That. And how would it work, anyway? So if I 'visit' manastone camp occasionally and build up to 40 hours, say, and that's the highest for people who are trying to get it. However, I'm not at the camp when the next stone drops, what happens? Do I somehow get the stone? If you say well, you have to actually be holding the camp to get your stone, then we're right back to where we were: either standard /list or lots of camp stealing. And, how would time accrue? Do I have to be actively holding down the camp to get hours? Can I just sort of be nearby? If so, how far? You probably mean that you would accrue it for just sitting at the list, but the same kind of problem exists - it puts people in the position of getting a stone they didn't kill for and screwing the guy who actually did kill for it because you had more 'list time'. In fact, you could do nothing but sit in list and get the stone eventually, no actual fight required. It's really kind of an unworkable idea.

There is no way to fix this by tweaking the ruleset. It is literally impossible. Making the all of the items LORE NODROP would sort of work to cut down on the /list account sharing problems, but at the expense of really murdering the classic utility of the item. At that point, we should just remove the items altogether and be done with it.

No, if you’re not at the camp you don’t get the stone. If you revisit the camp your hours would be saved for when you re-list. Time would accrue as long as you’re on /list and following the already set rules for being on list. The issue of not having to kill a single PH ALREADY exists. Some players just lay in FD snd have their girlfriends click the AFK-boxes.

Making it based on hours camped total over any number of sessions would make the farm more available and at the same time make it less attractive to the super-neckbeards eho could get better pp/hr elsewhere if they have to farm 240hrs for a manastone.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, if you’re not at the camp you don’t get the stone. If you revisit the camp your hours would be saved for when you re-list. Time would accrue as long as you’re on /list and following the already set rules for being on list. The issue of not having to kill a single PH ALREADY exists. Some players just lay in FD snd have their girlfriends click the AFK-boxes.

Making it based on hours camped total over any number of sessions would make the farm more available and at the same time make it less attractive to the super-neckbeards eho could get better pp/hr elsewhere if they have to farm 240hrs for a manastone.

girlfriends, u mean boyfriends, life partners, and questmates

[Izmael]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps P1999 could partner up with some life coaches. When you win a list your account receives a suspension and you get some rehabilitation coaching.

You can ask the GM's in the petition forum to suspend your accounts.

I've done that in the past. I listed all my accounts and they banned them all for one year from both Blue and Red. It was great, I could get on with my life and achieve stuff.

Toward the end though, like... 9 months in, I started to get a serious itch. I made a level 1 EC toon on a new account and tunnelquested a bunch of plat out of the thin air.

The last few days before the 1 year mark, and therefore unbanning of the accounts, were me literally counting the hours then the minutes before I could access my characters.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can ask the GM's in the petition forum to suspend your accounts.

I've done that in the past. I listed all my accounts and they banned them all for one year from both Blue and Red. It was great, I could get on with my life and achieve stuff.

Toward the end though, like... 9 months in, I started to get a serious itch. I made a level 1 EC toon on a new account and tunnelquested a bunch of plat out of the thin air.

The last few days before the 1 year mark, and therefore unbanning of the accounts, were me literally counting the hours then the minutes before I could access my characters.

Please don't ever tell me to stop posting again. I would very much appreciate that. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]