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[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so rogues are better. Thank you.

Not even CLOSE when it comes to VP raids. You want a solid 8+ level 60 Wizards to burn the mob down ASAP. Indeed WITHOUT those Wizards your precious Rogues are gonna die to the AOEs before the mob does.

Even in FULL NTOV GEAR tanks, and all other melees, will eventually die to the AOEs of several VP bosses. I don't remember ever failing to kill a VP Boss when our Guild had all of our raiding Wizards present. And I can't even count how many VP Bosses wiped us when our Wizards were NOT present! (Now alot of this is due to the "racing" style of raiding on Blue99 where you were effectively forced to start pulling a mob as soon as it spawned but this will only be even more accurate on Green99 when people are limited to in-era equipment)

[Uuruk]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not even CLOSE when it comes to VP raids. You want a solid 8+ level 60 Wizards to burn the mob down ASAP. Indeed WITHOUT those Wizards your precious Rogues are gonna die to the AOEs before the mob does.

Even in FULL NTOV GEAR tanks, and all other melees, will eventually die to the AOEs of several VP bosses. I don't remember ever failing to kill a VP Boss when our Guild had all of our raiding Wizards present. And I can't even count how many VP Bosses wiped us when our Wizards were NOT present! (Now alot of this is due to the "racing" style of raiding on Blue99 where you were effectively forced to start pulling a mob as soon as it spawned but this will only be even more accurate on Green99 when people are limited to in-era equipment)

All these mobs are trivial with the same amount of rogues but better. Need to get with the times.

[Izmael]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All these mobs are trivial with the same amount of rogues but better. Need to get with the times.

Depends how geared the rogues are. If they are feared 60% of the time, running back 20% of the time, having the out-of-range message 10% and finally meleeing a red mob for the remaining 10%, wizards are simply more burst DPS on a low-hp raid mob.

On something like Dozekar, of course a rogue will do more damage over the fight. On mobs requiring burst DPS, I'll take a wizard over a rogue any time.

[Uuruk]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depends how geared the rogues are. If they are feared 60% of the time, running back 20% of the time, having the out-of-range message 10% and finally meleeing a red mob for the remaining 10%, wizards are simply more burst DPS on a low-hp raid mob.

On something like Dozekar, of course a rogue will do more damage over the fight. On mobs requiring burst DPS, I'll take a wizard over a rogue any time.

This is a discussion about killing mobs the fastest.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a discussion about killing mobs the fastest.

To be clear burst DPS is how much DPS at once a class can do. Wizards are universally 2x better at bursting than any others. Just empty head brain guessing the highest DPS a rogue can hypothetically maybe put out is like 20-40 damage a second. At best. Maybe 50 with buffs and the perfect raid positioning.

Where'as wizards, for like a minute or two sustain hundreds of damage per second. Like 1615/6, or 269.1666666667 DPS for 48+ seconds. Otherwise with clickies n stuff wizards are limited to 20-80 dps mana free. Also all wizards needs to do for this is basically hit 1 single button. It does not matter where they are standing or what the mob is doing 97% percent of the time.

As I see it.

Wizards are hands down the best DPS in game.

As I previously illustrated wizards are a force multiplier. More wizards = more DPS.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~30 wizards casting Sunstrike 8x = 387,600 dmg in 48 seconds. For a total sustained DPS (because everything is dead already anyway) of 8,705 DPS.

In such an instance you can utilize a two or three cleric CH chain and not even sweat them running out of mana before winning.

No one can beat that.

Now do the calculations for 13 wizards casting PBAoE x 39 trash mobs.

Now you may say, but Vulaak has 800,000 hp. Well 8,705÷2=4,037.5 and 800,000÷4037.5 absolutely for sure infinity DPS = 198.1424148607 Seconds until Vulaak loots. Or just about two and a half minutes, or 15 CHs maybe, I don't know jack shit about clerics. Half the wizards are medding or clicking robes at any given time while the other half are simultaneously nuking HARD. You can't know which is which until someone loots a Vulaak.

Pretty cool huh?

I mean think about this for a second... 8 pallies, 1 ench, 1 clickie rez, 30 wizards. U don't even really need to bother with heals. The MTs just soak the mob till it dies. Pretty quickly I may add. There's your classic 40 "man" *coughs like a karana plague victim* vlassic raid force.

And all of the above can worship Errolisi Marr. Best classes. Best diety. Gg folks, gg.~~~~~~~~~~~~

269.1666666667x30=8,075.000000001

Rogues cannot and will not ever be able to achieve these numbers on P99 servers.

In other words, it'd take 30 rogues 17 minutes to kill Vulaak vs my 30 wizards two minutes. By which time either way all 30 rogues are guaranteed BBQ deep fried extra crispy & doing zero DPS anymore.