Was Having Two Servers More Fun Than One?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're another one of those people that gets offended by others expressing their personal feelings (about an elf sim, in an elf sim forum)?

You get just as fired up as anyone else, so not really a good look to criticize someone for that

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my personal feelings on the matter. I have a limited amount of time I can play and in a specific time slot that I have that limited amount of time to play. So yes, with more people on the server now it makes it very hard for me personally to enjoy my time playing on Green now.

People say this, but then they'll never explain why they feel that way. I.e. they won't explain further why the higher population has caused them an issue. Frankly, I have barely noticed a difference besides having several more people at a time in your average zone. Granted, I don't spend much time in the high ZEM zones or the most popular item/cash camps. For example, I've spent the last few levels in the Karanas doing a mix of soloing and duos/trios and I'm having a blast.

If server population is causing an issue for someone, then I'm left to assume that said person is mad because they only want to play in the high ZEM zones so they can use the "ZEM highway" to min/max their EXP, or they are mad because there are certain high value camps (i.e. that are great plat farming camps or have mobs that drop valuable loot) that they can't just freely waltz into anymore. Those, to me, don't seem like good arguments against the merge.

But feel free to clarify why you are not having as much fun post-merge if those aren't the reasons.

[Silverfalcon]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People say this, but then they'll never explain why they feel that way. I.e. they won't explain further why the higher population has caused them an issue. Frankly, I have barely noticed a difference besides having several more people at a time in your average zone. Granted, I don't spend much time in the high ZEM zones or the most popular item/cash camps. For example, I've spent the last few levels in the Karanas doing a mix of soloing and duos/trios and I'm having a blast.

If server population is causing an issue for someone, then I'm left to assume that said person is mad because they only want to play in the high ZEM zones so they can use the "ZEM highway" to min/max their EXP, or they are mad because there are certain high value camps (i.e. that are great plat farming camps or have mobs that drop valuable loot) that they can't just freely waltz into anymore. Those, to me, don't seem like good arguments against the merge.

But feel free to clarify why you are not having as much fun post-merge if those aren't the reasons.

I'll give some examples. I was camping in SK and Split paw. I could get a spire or go inside and camp easily before the merge. Now...I can't get a spire and it is a lot harder to camp where I was because it's generally camped now. Before it wasn't. Also in Permafrost there was hardly ever anyone there except for people farming the nets which I didn't care about but now there's a 3-4 person wait for camp I specifically need which granted is a high pp camp but I actually just need the item for my character. I won't even talk about the AC in Uguk which was always pretty much camped now the line is a lot. All these spots were items that I need for my 35 shaman but now every time I log in when I am able too guess what....there's a line. When something was easily accessible with the exclusion of the AC in Uguk and it's not now then yes that is what I mean. I don't want to spend half the time I have online traveling trying to find a spot to be able to do something in. That's just my opinion.

And you have not addressed the other servers that have far lower populations than what Teal and Green where....why don't you please address that aspect of my post....

[Enshadowed]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't logged in since Jan 19th. Teal was awesome, but I guess it was just a dream.

Has anyone tallied the population loss/decline?

I'll probably stop lurking the forums soon.

cheers,

Astuce

I stopped playing as well a few weeks after launch. I was so incredibly excited for a fresh start, and the first few days in particular were amazing... but some of the changes they made in the lead-up to the launch just really killed it for me. No pet window and being unable to see my DoT damage, as a necro, was just too "classic" for me. Glad everyone else is having fun, though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

Adios, elves.

[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you have not addressed the other servers that have far lower populations than what Teal and Green where....why don't you please address that aspect of my post....

The vast majority of those are boxed servers (I.e. someone playing more than one character simultaneously). So for instance, the “Grand Creation” server doesn’t even have a box limit, so people will play upwards of 16 characters at a time using programmed macro’s. I wouldn’t ever trust the population numbers on a non-P99 server (which don’t allow boxing).

[Silverfalcon]

Originally Posted by Smellybuttface [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The vast majority of those are boxed servers (I.e. someone playing more than one character simultaneously). So for instance, the “Grand Creation” server doesn’t even have a box limit, so people will play upwards of 16 characters at a time using programmed macro’s. I wouldn’t ever trust the population numbers on a non-P99 server (which don’t allow boxing).

My point about server numbers is that Teal and Green were the leading servers for population. If there were issues server side get rid of the double digit servers before you merge servers with triple digit server populations. That's the whole thing that is still wacky to me. There was never an explanation that I could read that gave the reasoning behind merging the two servers to begin with at this time. I know they had said originally they were considering merging shortly or around the time Kunark was going to come out....but this merge happened without any notice or explanation. To be honest I am almost to point where I am not going to be back until Kunark comes out if at all.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll give some examples. I was camping in SK and Split paw. I could get a spire or go inside and camp easily before the merge. Now...I can't get a spire and it is a lot harder to camp where I was because it's generally camped now. Before it wasn't. Also in Permafrost there was hardly ever anyone there except for people farming the nets which I didn't care about but now there's a 3-4 person wait for camp I specifically need which granted is a high pp camp but I actually just need the item for my character. I won't even talk about the AC in Uguk which was always pretty much camped now the line is a lot. All these spots were items that I need for my 35 shaman but now every time I log in when I am able too guess what....there's a line. When something was easily accessible with the exclusion of the AC in Uguk and it's not now then yes that is what I mean. I don't want to spend half the time I have online traveling trying to find a spot to be able to do something in. That's just my opinion.

And you have not addressed the other servers that have far lower populations than what Teal and Green where....why don't you please address that aspect of my post....

Well, for the spires, there's a million other things to kill in SK so if you're just trying to EXP then spires being camped shouldn't really cause you a problem. With respect to your other examples: UGuk - high ZEM zone and one of the more popular camps, things in Splitpaw and Permafrost that you're trying to camp because they drop valuable items that can likely be argued as somewhat BIS for this era are of course going to be crowded and camped. So with all due respect it sounds like I was somewhat correct in that your issue with the merge is that you can't easily get valuable items whenever you want them and you can't easily camp a popular camp in a high ZEM dungeon whenever you want.

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point about server numbers is that Teal and Green were the leading servers for population. If there were issues server side get rid of the double digit servers before you merge servers with triple digit server populations. That's the whole thing that is still wacky to me. There was never an explanation that I could read that gave the reasoning behind merging the two servers to begin with at this time. I know they had said originally they were considering merging shortly or around the time Kunark was going to come out....but this merge happened without any notice or explanation. To be honest I am almost to point where I am not going to be back until Kunark comes out if at all.

No, they never said anything about considering merging around the time Kunark came out. That was total speculation by non-staff members on the forums. When Teal was created, the staff was VERY clear that it was a temporary measure to reduce the overpopulation on Green because it was like 2.4k minimum at prime time. The staff said that they would re-merge when the population died down and said that could even be as short as days or a couple weeks after the split...it was solely based on population size. The population size of Green now is pretty below what most servers' average population was back in 1999. Other servers' population size is totally irrelevant to this discussion. Those servers are primarily people who box multiple characters at once or are otherwise disinterested in really playing with others and just want to play EQ almost like a single player game. That is not what people on P99 want; we want an actual MMO experience. But, since you mentioned those other servers, if you want to just be able to do whatever you want whenever you want, you could easily go play on those servers and your Shaman can level up quickly and be super geared with ease...you just don't have many other people around to play with. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

There are zero issues post-merge unless, as you note, you want to get very valuable items for your class and you have to wait in line at a very popular camp (or you otherwise only want to EXP in high ZEM zones like UGuk).

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You get just as fired up as anyone else, so not really a good look to criticize someone for that

I never claimed I wasn't "fired up" ... although I have tried (very hard) to be as neutral as I possibly can with both how I framed the poll and how I've responded. But look, being "fired up" does not equate to attacking someone for expressing a feeling!

It doesn't matter if I say "I hate Blue" or "I love Blue": I'm not attacking you. It doesn't matter whether you love Blue or hate Blue: me expressing how I feel is not anything ... about you. It's me saying how I feel (which, again is what polls are for).

If I say "Blue sucks because X", then great: argue with me (especially outside a poll and especially if it's in RnF)!

But if you truly can't understand the appeal of one poll thread (not in RnF, but in the Green/Teal forum) where people are allowed to say how they feel about those servers, either way ... without being attacked for it by some insecure Netizen (who feels that anyone who expresses any feeling they disagree with is somehow personally attacking them, and they need to respond and attack back) ... I'm sorry, but that ain't healthy.

And that's saying a lot coming from someone like myself who clearly (see the post count to the left) is overly-invested in this forum.

[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point about server numbers is that Teal and Green were the leading servers for population. If there were issues server side get rid of the double digit servers before you merge servers with triple digit server populations. That's the whole thing that is still wacky to me. There was never an explanation that I could read that gave the reasoning behind merging the two servers to begin with at this time. I know they had said originally they were considering merging shortly or around the time Kunark was going to come out....but this merge happened without any notice or explanation. To be honest I am almost to point where I am not going to be back until Kunark comes out if at all.

Also, note that the P99 staff isn’t in any way affiliated with those other servers. They can’t control who merges and who doesn’t. They only control Blue, Teal, and Red.

Waiting for camps is how EQ has classically always been. GM’s used to control some of the lists back in the day, but since that’s a burden on such a small staff, they came up with the /list feature for certain camps. Other camps (like AC) are non-posted, but people frequently will ask the campholder if they can get on a list behind them when they are finished with the camp. Just as you want to camp valuable items for your character, other people do too. And with some camps having respawn rates of 6 hours, or AC where you can get a dozen placeholders before the Croc spawns, you’ll have to wait till that person’s finished.

Example: I have a friend who recently camped Hadden (6 hour respawn). 2 people were ahead of him, and it’s a 6 hour spawn. He had to wait for them to get their earring before he could move into the camp. That’s just how classic is. I’m sure at some point you’ll hold a camp that someone else wants and maybe THEY have limited time. Perhaps they even have less time to play then you do. But they’ll have to wait till you’re finished to move in.

[Gustoo]

We have 3 servers now. Blue Green and Red