"Need before greed"

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Putting the weird and teenage angst riddled posts of the OP aside, "Greed" IS the absolute fairest loot distribution in EQ. A few of you seem to be getting tunnel vision over the concept of NBG and losing sight on the looting mechanics of the game you are playing.

NBG only makes sense in MMOs where almost all wanted items are bound and unsellable upon looting, like WoW. A NBG system works well to fairly distribute said bound loot. And usually in these MMO's there are rare and valuable drops that aren't bound on loot. These items are almost always Greeded in groups because they can be traded with anyone and thus be sold for likely a good chunk of change so it's fair to everyone, even if a group member wanted it for a upgrade.

NBG doesn't make sense in an MMO where almost all wanted items can be looted and traded at will, like EQ. Almost Every single item in the game has lucrative value to every single group member whether it be monetary or character building. Platinum in EQ can directly correlate to character strength, so it's generally more fair to use the "greed" rule. NBG in EQ is just another weapon in a neckbeards aresnal to shriek in your group chat about fairness while leveling his 5th alt.

That being said, my personal experience on teal has been mostly NBG through these lower levels with large PP items being agreed to /random. EQ is a strange beast.

Only classes that can equip NO DROP should roll on those since the value is different than others who would vendor it. But for tradeable items the value is literally equal for everyone. Regardless of what they do with it.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think it's greed if you need the item at the time and use it and then sell it later though...

You're rolling on the currency or value that's contained in that item. And what you do with that is irrelevant; whether you keep it in the original by equipping it, whether you use it on tradeskills, or whether you buy another item makes no difference.

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think it's greed if you need the item at the time and use it and then sell it later though...

But what item truly constitutes as a need in this game? A need is an necessity that you cannot do without. Greed is something you want, because it makes life easier or you will simply enjoy it. In EverQuest, a key that provides access might be considered a need since you are prevented from content without it. However, droppable gear is simply something you desire because it makes things more convenient..but you could easily continue to play without it.

So if somebody in your group says they 'need' that item that just dropped, what they really mean is "that would make things a more convenient for me, so I want it. Even though you could sell it to make things more convenient for you, I think I deserve it because it says WAR and you are not a WAR and rather than be fair about this I want us to cater to bogus circumstantial coincidence and prey upon your societal desire to follow rules and be a good citizen."

[Vostok]

There were actually a good amount of nbg groups among the first set of camps as the now 50s were leveling and was pleasantly surprising. Just make sure the rules of the camp before you join a loot group, if you dont like the rules a premade camp is using either cry about it or join in and hush.
Likely most pick up groups will just /random stuff, but you dont want a group falling apart because an item drops and someone wants to call nbg when that was never the case. A lot of items are currently not worth very much and if a 100plat ring is causing you to have a melt down then you are just being over dramatic.

[Kanuvan]

most things are tradeable which can be sold or traded for other items and potential upgrades, if you let someone impose NBG on you you are being scammed, i need that 2k just as much as you need that +5 int and +10 mana

[Kalamurv]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only classes that can equip NO DROP should roll on those since the value is different than others who would vendor it. But for tradeable items the value is literally equal for everyone. Regardless of what they do with it.

You can't vendor no drop items....obviously you've never played the game to a level where no drop items are a thing (outside of quest items), and it really shows in your posts.

[Swish]

Remember that T-staff drop in KC? lol

[cd288]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain to me how it is any functionally different to equip an item right then or to sell it and get something you want. Explain to me how everyone rolling on everything in pick up groups is in any way not the best, most fair method for distributing loot, while simultaneously avoiding all of the scam artists and hypocrisies of nbg.

Everything is greed. There is no such thing as need in-game, and wanting an item for any reason is greed. Just because you want to think of greed as a negative word doesn't change anything.

Now if you're with a group of friends or guildmates, that's one thing. Although even that in a way is greed because you want the people you ride with to become stronger, so you can get more stuff. But a bunch of just random strangers? I don't trust any of them. And none of them need the worth of an item more than I do, and vice versa.

Simple. If it’s something that person actually needs at that moment in time, then I’m fine with them rolling on it. Sure, when Kunark or Velious come out they’ll probably end up replacing it. But if they use it for awhile then I have no issue with them rolling need on it.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Kalamurv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't vendor no drop items....obviously you've never played the game to a level where no drop items are a thing (outside of quest items), and it really shows in your posts.

I'm talking about any MMO because in some games you can. He even mentioned WoW in the post I replied to.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Vostok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of items are currently not worth very much and if a 100plat ring is causing you to have a melt down then you are just being over dramatic.

You could say that about the person rolling "need" too. So if they don't let other people roll then they're just having a meltdown and being over dramatic about a 100p item. Also 100p is a good amount of money if your main is level 25 or lower. Even at higher levels getting a 100p drop is nothing to scoff at, although much less significant.