"Need before greed"

[GuiltyLight]

Originally Posted by bum3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you get item and sell it to upgrade the character you're on, that isn't greed.

... yes. Yes it is. There is no actual difference between you wanting to not spend money on the item and then get money from selling it later, and other people rolling on it to sell it in the tunnel. It's all greed.

If a good item drops, no one needs it. There's no such thing as needing an item. Everyone wants it because everyone is greedy. Because it's going to make them more powerful or get the more platinum or make them look fabulous. It's greed. Who can equip it is irrelevant.

Also what are you talking about about how that character is you? It's a video game. Even D&D is just a role-playing game, and an MMO is a pretty far cry from a pencil and paper RPG to begin with. Shaniqua the wood elf Ranger doesn't exist. And her player doesn't need that fbss any more than anyone else in the group does.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... yes. Yes it is. There is no actual difference between you wanting to not spend money on the item and then get money from selling it later, and other people rolling on it to sell it in the tunnel. It's all greed.

If a good item drops, no one needs it. There's no such thing as needing an item. Everyone wants it because everyone is greedy. Because it's going to make them more powerful or get the more platinum or make them look fabulous. It's greed. Who can equip it is irrelevant.

Also what are you talking about about how that character is you? It's a video game. Even D&D is just a role-playing game, and an MMO is a pretty far cry from a pencil and paper RPG to begin with. Shaniqua the wood elf Ranger doesn't exist. And her player doesn't need that fbss any more than anyone else in the group does.

Nobody needs anything in a video game but want isnt the same as greed. And nobody needs anything in real life either, not even water. You'll just die without it.

[GuiltyLight]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Want isnt the same as greed.

...... Yea. It is.

[bum3]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...... Yea. It is.

Absolutely.

[gundumbwing]

Putting the weird and teenage angst riddled posts of the OP aside, "Greed" IS the absolute fairest loot distribution in EQ. A few of you seem to be getting tunnel vision over the concept of NBG and losing sight on the looting mechanics of the game you are playing.

NBG only makes sense in MMOs where almost all wanted items are bound and unsellable upon looting, like WoW. A NBG system works well to fairly distribute said bound loot. And usually in these MMO's there are rare and valuable drops that aren't bound on loot. These items are almost always Greeded in groups because they can be traded with anyone and thus be sold for likely a good chunk of change so it's fair to everyone, even if a group member wanted it for a upgrade.

NBG doesn't make sense in an MMO where almost all wanted items can be looted and traded at will, like EQ. Almost Every single item in the game has lucrative value to every single group member whether it be monetary or character building. Platinum in EQ can directly correlate to character strength, so it's generally more fair to use the "greed" rule. NBG in EQ is just another weapon in a neckbeards aresnal to shriek in your group chat about fairness while leveling his 5th alt.

That being said, my personal experience on teal has been mostly NBG through these lower levels with large PP items being agreed to /random. EQ is a strange beast.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Putting the weird and teenage angst riddled posts of the OP aside, "Greed" IS the absolute fairest loot distribution in EQ. A few of you seem to be getting tunnel vision over the concept of NBG and losing sight on the looting mechanics of the game you are playing.

NBG only makes sense in MMOs where almost all wanted items are bound and unsellable upon looting, like WoW. A NBG system works well to fairly distribute said bound loot. And usually in these MMO's there are rare and valuable drops that aren't bound on loot. These items are almost always Greeded in groups because they can be traded with anyone and thus be sold for likely a good chunk of change so it's fair to everyone, even if a group member wanted it for a upgrade.

NBG doesn't make sense in an MMO where almost all wanted items can be looted and traded at will, like EQ. Almost Every single item in the game has lucrative value to every single group member whether it be monetary or character building. Platinum in EQ can directly correlate to character strength, so it's generally more fair to use the "greed" rule. NBG in EQ is just another weapon in a neckbeards aresnal to shriek in your group chat about fairness while leveling his 5th alt.

That being said, my personal experience on teal has been mostly NBG through these lower levels with large PP items being agreed to /random. EQ is a strange beast.

Only classes that can equip NO DROP should roll on those since the value is different than others who would vendor it. But for tradeable items the value is literally equal for everyone. Regardless of what they do with it.

[Kalamurv]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only classes that can equip NO DROP should roll on those since the value is different than others who would vendor it. But for tradeable items the value is literally equal for everyone. Regardless of what they do with it.

You can't vendor no drop items....obviously you've never played the game to a level where no drop items are a thing (outside of quest items), and it really shows in your posts.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...... Yea. It is.

No its not. You can want something then trade it for a reasonable price instead of trying to get as much as you possibly can.

[GuiltyLight]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No its not. You can want something then trade it for a reasonable price instead of trying to get as much as you possibly can.

You're just being greedy with your time more than your money at that point.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... yes. Yes it is. There is no actual difference between you wanting to not spend money on the item and then get money from selling it later, and other people rolling on it to sell it in the tunnel. It's all greed.

If a good item drops, no one needs it. There's no such thing as needing an item. Everyone wants it because everyone is greedy. Because it's going to make them more powerful or get the more platinum or make them look fabulous. It's greed. Who can equip it is irrelevant.

Also what are you talking about about how that character is you? It's a video game. Even D&D is just a role-playing game, and an MMO is a pretty far cry from a pencil and paper RPG to begin with. Shaniqua the wood elf Ranger doesn't exist. And her player doesn't need that fbss any more than anyone else in the group does.

I don't think it's greed if you need the item at the time and use it and then sell it later though...