"Need before greed"

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Darkslide632 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's simple. When a group says they're using NBG, don't join if that doesn't sit well with you.

You have that option. But the problem is that the definition of "need before greed" is backwards because the correct definition is everyone rolling on tradeable items because everyone needs it and the value is equal.

[Kaino]

NBG is a losing deal for melees because often you will have no problem passing NBG on caster stuff as a melee main but then when its a camp for a melee item no casters will agree to NBG because they have a melee alt they want to gear so it's usually a losing deal to ever agree to NBG as a melee because it will not be reciprocated at melee camps

[vossiewulf]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I were the mage, and any mage who isn't a retard, then I would say grats on the plat and the item you can buy with it because you deserve it just like the rest of us who were here for the kill.

Just like if a caster sold a sword to buy a page.

We'll have to agree to disagree on your motivations.

[Siege]

Originally Posted by Kaino [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NBG is a losing deal for melees because often you will have no problem passing NBG on caster stuff as a melee main but then when its a camp for a melee item no casters will agree to NBG because they have a melee alt they want to gear so it's usually a losing deal to ever agree to NBG as a melee because it will not be reciprocated at melee camps

NBG should never include potential alts. If you can't use it on the character you're playing, you don't need it.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Siege [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can sell it and buy an item you need, you don't need it.

[Kaino]

Originally Posted by Siege [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NBG should never include potential alts. If you can't use it on the character you're playing, you don't need it.

the point is NBG happens more often at caster camps because casters will rarely agree to pass on good melee items because they always have a melee alt and will greed roll whereas melees will almost always pass on good caster stuff

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by vossiewulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What he said. And the greedy bastards will never group with me again.

EVERY single one of the people who have said everyone should roll on anything because it's "fair", you people aren't the slightest bit interested in fairness. You are greedy as hell and just want to get your grasping ugly fingers on everything you can.

And that's completely demonstrated by the fact that there could be one drop the whole night and it's an awesome melee weapon and you the caster win it and walk away without a second thought. That's called greed, greed and lack of consideration for anyone other than yourselves (which is most certainly the way you treat everyone).

Think about it this way. If everything was NBG, then what cleric is going to want to join a pug at camps where melee items drop when they aren't allowed to loot? What tank is going to want to tank for a camp with caster drops?

If everything is always greed rolls, then sometimes you lose items that you want, but sometimes but you win others that you wouldn't get to loot in a NBG scenario. It all balances out and doesn't discourage people from grouping at camps that don't have drops for their class. On top of this, if you are getting all your upgrades through NBG you only have access to same-level quality loot. If you are selling drops you can buy loot from camps that are above your ability to kill. I understand your thinking here, and I used to think that way myself, but if you think about it logically, greed rolls on everything makes the most sense.

[vossiewulf]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry you didnt get 100 plat item (not)

A demonstration of the point, not that you're likely to get it.

I get much more enjoyment from seeing the people around me get something that makes them happy than I do from getting something for myself, as does my partner. In EQ terms, that pretty much always meant everyone in the group gets something before we did, and we were always available to help people get things they needed.

Although there were always random people, these groups were usually made up of an extended friends and family group of 30ish people from many guilds, we never joined one.

In mid-2000 we had to relocate 1500 miles and drive, and in perfect EQ fashion, we're playing late the night before leaving and running around doing some tasks, with the whole friends and family group offline already, and we wiped. I can't even remember what happened, but it was someplace where it would take us a very long time to get to and we had four hours before hopping in a car for 12 hours.

Next day she called one of our friends to let them know what had happened and that when we came back online a week or so later we'd be needing to ask for help for ourselves for once.

We finally get online a week later, and at this point are kind of looking forward to the regearing process, our gear wasn't great anyway. We get pinged by the friends to come meet them in EC. We get there to find that the entire friends and family group had dropped everything they were doing and had spent the entire previous week camping things around the clock and donating funds. They came up one by one to hand us things.

We ended up being way better geared than we were before. I'm sure you get more plat and items than I do, but I would rather be on my side.

[Siege]

Originally Posted by Kaino [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the point is NBG happens more often at caster camps because casters will rarely agree to pass on good melee items because they always have a melee alt and will greed roll whereas melees will almost always pass on good caster stuff

This is why every group needs a loot nazi to keep the pixel zombies in check. Those creatures will loot every corpse if you let them, not thinking for one second that there are 5 other people in the group who need plat just as much as they do. There needs to be someone in every group who is willing to tell them to get fucked when they try to roll on melee gear for their nonexistent alt,

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Siege [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is why every group needs a loot nazi to keep the pixel zombies in check. Those creatures will loot every corpse if you let them, not thinking for one second that there are 5 other people in the group who need plat just as much as they do. There needs to be someone in every group who is willing to tell them to get fucked when they try to roll on melee gear for their nonexistent alt,

You need to get fucked when you try to tell people they can't roll on an item they can trade for one they can use for their main.