Not soloing a /list for someone else

[cd288]

Yeah it's a weird situation. On the one hand, why not just group up with the person and you guys can both get some XP while killing mobs?

On the other, this is a flaw in the system. Apparently the intent is simply to mimic the old classic way of doing things where people would create informal lists. However, the issue that arises is that in the old days you needed to be able to kill the mob because that's how you got the loot rights. They weren't awarded by computer code to the next person on the list. As such, in the classic days you wouldn't even bother going to the camp to join any list unless you could kill the mob yourself. I've come to see this as a really big flaw in the system that's actually creating a more unclassic situation by permitting people who otherwise wouldn't be there to get on the list.

[Frostback]

AFK checks can have an opposite effect, especially for long camps. It's easy to watch tv or do other things on the computer while periodically checking the afk box, which is very appealing to classes with hide or feign death. As it stands the person at position #1 on a list is not responsible for clearing ph's and killing the listed mob. I wish camp rules would apply to the list rules, that way if someone is #1 on the list for an item and is not engaging the listed mob in a reasonable ammount of time, it would fall under zone/area disruption.

You may not disrupt the normal playability of a zone or area.
Zone/Area Disruption is defined as any activity designed to harm or inconvenience a number of groups rather than a specific player or group of players.

/list is supposed to help the volunteer staff with the amount of petitions that come from contested camps. I hope it's helping.

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah it's a weird situation. On the one hand, why not just group up with the person and you guys can both get some XP while killing mobs?

On the other, this is a flaw in the system. Apparently the intent is simply to mimic the old classic way of doing things where people would create informal lists. However, the issue that arises is that in the old days you needed to be able to kill the mob because that's how you got the loot rights. They weren't awarded by computer code to the next person on the list. As such, in the classic days you wouldn't even bother going to the camp to join any list unless you could kill the mob yourself. I've come to see this as a really big flaw in the system that's actually creating a more unclassic situation by permitting people who otherwise wouldn't be there to get on the list.

I was there just before Intesifier and had to go as well after some interactions with the person #1 on the list. The reason he (and I) didn't group with this person is because the person stated he thought it was risky to clear with so few people so he wasn't going to put himself at risk by helping. Clearly a party foul here. Both of us left because this person wasn't willing to help clear the camp he was #1 on the list for.

[Phaezed-Reality]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was there just before Intesifier and had to go as well after some interactions with the person #1 on the list. The reason he (and I) didn't group with this person is because the person stated he thought it was risky to clear with so few people so he wasn't going to put himself at risk by helping. Clearly a party foul here. Both of us left because this person wasn't willing to help clear the camp he was #1 on the list for.

gasp, someone in #1 position not able to clear the camp. expecting other people to do it for him? well i never.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, the issue that arises is that in the old days you needed to be able to kill the mob because that's how you got the loot rights. They weren't awarded by computer code to the next person on the list. As such, in the classic days you wouldn't even bother going to the camp to join any list unless you could kill the mob yourself.

This is what I have been saying almost since the very first thread that someone created to rant about the manastone camp.

Just like OP suggests, they need to change it so that if the PH/named has not been killed for X amount of time then the person first on the list should be moved to the bottom of the list.

When this was first suggested, the majority of people pushed back and claimed it to be a greedy and selfish idea, etc.

It looks like now that people have had time to experience the scenario in OP's post first-hand they are now coming to their senses. Please fix this devs! No more list camp leechers!!!