Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[ArunaGreen]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Big swarms were high risk that took lots of skill and time to complete. One mistake, including lag, was death. It was also done in obscure zones like FV and Burning Woods with plenty of other places to level (and extra mobs that don't get pulled).

Hard to tell if you're joking honestly. Bard swarming is not skill intensive at all. You literally run around in a fucking circle while a song auto plays. How is that high risk? Lol...

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by ArunaGreen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hard to tell if you're joking honestly. Bard swarming is not skill intensive at all. You literally run around in a fucking circle while a song auto plays. How is that high risk? Lol...

Sometimes i'm joking. Sometimes i'm not. Need high INT and WIS to tell the difference.

Swarm kiting is not "running around in flipper circle while a song plays."

Coming from someone who actually did it.

Swarming is spending lots of time to run through the entire zone single pulling mobs without agroing casters or getting stunned and dying from your train, thus losing even more time from having to zone it or run back and do it again. Then its learning how to click off selos and strafe kite while twisting 3 dots and switching instruments and circling with the perfect degree to be at the right distance without getting too close a single time and getting one shot, which is always an inch away. Then its doing that consistently for 30 minutes or more without a mistake. Stop being so silly and overly dramatic.

Also buff enchanters.

[Hazek]

I almost wanna reinstall and swarm anyway even with the 4 mob limit. u mad

[ArunaGreen]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sometimes i'm joking. Sometimes i'm not. Need high INT and WIS to tell the difference.

Swarm kiting is not "running around in flipper circle while a song plays."

Coming from someone who actually did it.

I'm literally the reason the mechanic was nerfed on blue so I kinda know what I'm talking about. AOE Kiting on a bard is about as difficult as tying your shoes while chewing bubble gum.

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Swarming is spending lots of time to run through the entire zone single pulling mobs without agroing casters or getting stunned and dying from your train, thus losing even more time from having to zone it or run back and do it again. Then its learning how to click off selos and strafe kite while twisting 3 dots and switching instruments and circling with the perfect degree to be at the right distance without getting too close a single time and getting one shot. Then its doing that consistently for 30 minutes or more without a mistake. Stop being so silly and overly dramatic.

Also buff enchanters.

If you get stunned by a mob when you have selo's and multiple long range pulling tools, you're being a complete moron. Avoiding casters is a joke as most of the zones you do this in don't even have casters in the area that it's done. Learning how to click off a buff...good lord. Also, who taught you to twist 3 dots? Lol. You literally just autoplay the level 18 dot as it has the longest range and keeps you in complete safety and with horn it does heavy damage. I think out of 1,000 pulls I can count all my deaths with a single hand. If you think AOE Kiting takes skill, odds are you have a double digit IQ and find most things in life to be difficult.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by ArunaGreen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm literally the reason the mechanic was nerfed on blue so I kinda know what I'm talking about. AOE Kiting on a bard is about as difficult as tying your shoes while chewing bubble gum.



If you get stunned by a mob when you have selo's and multiple long range pulling tools, you're being a complete moron. Avoiding casters is a joke as most of the zones you do this in don't even have casters in the area that it's done. Learning how to click off a buff...good lord. Also, who taught you to twist 3 dots? Lol. You literally just autoplay the level 18 dot as it has the longest range and keeps you in complete safety and with horn it does heavy damage. I think out of 1,000 pulls I can count all my deaths with a single hand. If you think AOE Kiting takes skill, odds are you have a double digit IQ and find most things in life to be difficult.

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The fact that you said you "kited" with a single dot proves you never did it in Burning Woods or any high level zone. And any bard who's actually done it knows this.

So yeah of course "swarming" is easy when its level 1 bats.

But for me its not like it was korean level difficulty but its not how you're describing it either.

[ArunaGreen]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lmao

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The fact that you said you "kited" with a single dot proves you never did it in Burning Woods or any high level zone. And any bard who's actually done it knows this.

So yeah of course "swarming" is easy when its level 1 bats.

But for me its not like it was korean level difficulty but its not how you're describing it either.

Uhh, you only need the level 18 dot, period. I've done it in every zone that it's typically done. Oasis/SK before kunark, then OT, DL, BW. Not sure why you think it can't be done with a single dot. I used to literally pull every single non giant/spider in DL and do like 150 mob kites. I was literally the reason it was nerfed on blue. I'm also the first 50 bard on teal/green so please, I know what I'm talking about. It's not difficult, period. Almost nothing in EQ even is, especially when you have classes that blatantly trivialize the majority of content that exists.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by ArunaGreen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uhh, you only need the level 18 dot, period. I've done it in every zone that it's typically done. Oasis/SK before kunark, then OT, DL, BW. Not sure why you think it can't be done with a single dot. I used to literally pull every single non giant/spider in DL and do like 150 mob kites. I was literally the reason it was nerfed on blue. I'm also the first 50 bard on teal/green so please, I know what I'm talking about. It's not difficult, period. Almost nothing in EQ even is, especially when you have classes that blatantly trivialize the majority of content that exists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAanrkLn6bI

[Vizax_Xaziv]

To be fair, once mastered, Bard Swarming is pretty dang easy. And if you DO happen die you don't even need a rez cuz you'll make that XP back times five on your next Swarm.

[Seducio]

Enchanters are an extremely fun class. Fun in almost every situation of the game except a few that other classes shine better at. The over-versatility of the class is quite classic.

Many of the other classes are much more narrowly focused and after 20 year don't provide as much joy as some would like.

I recommend anyone who hasn't played one yet to try an Enchanter out on Green/Teal/Blue.

Outside of a few folks who don't like the ENC spell set, for most playing this class is pure joy.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kinda pinpoints the problem here, eh? This is precisely our argument! We're supposed to believe that it was this simple during Vanilla, yet nobody figured that out for several YEARS?

Whle they figured out far more complex things like cannidancing, FD pulling, quad kiting, PBAE grouping etc.

? Tons of Enchs were charm killing by Kunark bud. As part of the CSR team I had exposure to many servers and saw this on multiple servers.