Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by bwe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That argument's not great because it's just as easy to go the other way. Provide evidence that the current state of charm is the same as it was on live.

That's not how it works. To change something you prove it should be changed. Stuff is the way it is because the staff who have already spent years on this figured it out as best they could already. You don't get to upend that just because nobody can prove it is correct.


That aside, I submit xornns enchanter guide as supporting similar charm and mr here as in classic era.

I mean, the guide is pretty damn similar to guides on p99 or to the play of good chanters on here. He calls charm the chanters strongest and most versatile tool. He praises root as cc, aoe mez as great. He only keeps 1 stun on his bar for charm breaks suggesting he doesn't get it resisted enough to consider a second one as a backup. He talks about charisma and the buff line being important for charms and mezzes. His solo exp charming is solid. He even talks about engaging multiple mobs with a charm and using them for more dps in groups.

That doesn't sound like a guy who can't rely on charm, who can't handle charm breaks, who gets a ton of resists on stuns and roots, etc. It sounds about like someone playing on p99.

He doesn't even address summoning mobs, kunark 51+ spells, etc. So he wasn't even out of classic spells and 1-50 zones but he was already comfortable using charm and the other spells people in here have called op on p99.

Imagine how much more he'd like charm if he hadn't disliked berserker strength line because the strength component fades (oh noes) when the rune is eaten up, or if he'd though of having the resistance debuff he mentions shams having put on his pets, or if he had a gcd clicky and 2 wands of allure, or if he had a modern computer and internet connection and the p99 wiki and dozens of streamers to watch for tips and tricks. Why gee, he'd probably have been managing charm like a pro while outdpsing whole groups and farming cash camps solo! Go figure.


The dudes roleplay-y intro to chanting even sounds like what I keep saying about why not many people figured out chanters before and why still not too many have it mastered now:

the enchanter gives the least room for error, the least understanding for mistakes, and the most expectations from your fellow adventurers.