List Integrity

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by Modwolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Post when you get the stone. Is grakken sitting in a corner pouting that you got help?

I got the stone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] And naw. Grakken was there helping with each kill. We didn't chat or anything but things were as cordial as they could be with the situation given.

In the end I think the /list is working. It took me 3 days to get a spot farming Shralok Packs because a guild was rotating it and that is a starting newbie item. This was a minor squabble (In my opinion) that was bigger here on the forums then it was in game and was fixed without needing a guide to show up thanks to the list.

I still think it could use some slight tweaking for Manastone but it is a solid step to keeping things going without a guide showing up. And now off to sleep for me!

[Modwolf]

Originally Posted by PabloEdvardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We must have much different interpretations of what defines hostage and forcing, as evidenced by this thread. Many here consider that behavior to be holding it hostage, and "turning into grakken" seems to be a divisive opinion, as well.

I'm a bit confused by your choice to curtly denounce everything I said without contributing anything in return, though. That's the behavior of an arrogant prick, not someone trying to advance the discussion. So I'll refrain from engaging your comments any further.

You think you know things you don't. And I didn't think you deserved anymore but since you need help understanding.
No1 was holding it hostage. 2 aholes didn't help so the camp stood still. They could kill the camp on their own and if #1 loots it or not he is removed from the list. Nothing is held up.

You can't force anyone off the list. If you read this whole thread you would know that the attempted bullying to force him off was a failure and training someone will get you banned.

Thus proving you can't hostage or force this camp.

Comprehension is hard.

[Sagus]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got the stone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congrats! I enjoyed sifting through pages of drama and sad to see it end, but I'm glad it all worked out alright. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Rooj]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never tried to push you out of your spot. I just don't want to earn it for you. I want you to earn it. I hope you get your MS. I just take issue of it being borne off other's sweat and not your own.

I think this showcases why some tweaks need to be made. Level 40 -44 to list here, or 35 if in a group.

I don't think anything needs to be changed. This situation is going to be rare, and when the average playerbase gets into the mid 30s range, probably never going to hear about it again. It's going to be funny soon when real competition starts showing up and you can't get a stone because the list is so long. Yet if you had just helped the guy, which is in the spirit of Everquest, hell you might both have a stone right now. Instead, you make this forum post, which has done nothing but get you blacklisted because you're being greedy and selfish.

Then you try to say shit like "I never tried to push him out of his spot." You were invited to the camp, and when you got there, you were #2. You saw an opportunity since #1 couldn't solo the camp, so you left the group and refused to participate in the camp. If you want him to earn it, well guess what - the dude was there all day. You came there and immediately expected to be #1, so who is it that should be EARNING their right to loot? Not only did #1 try to find people to come to the camp, but he had already been there all day. What exactly did YOU do to contribute to earn #1 on the list? No one is going to believe anything other than you saw a chance to get an easy #1 spot on the list, hoping #1 would fall asleep soon.

Again, I think nothing needs to be changed, if this situation happens, it simply happens. If the mob just sits there and doesn't get killed, that's just what happens. Not going to happen often or for long. If you care so much about this rare situation happening, then DO YOUR PART IN HELPING and the situation DOESN'T EXIST.

[Veeshan31]

Well this was definitely a backfire thread. Way to make yourself known as scumbags, Grakken and Masterize

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Rooj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you try to say shit like "I never tried to push him out of his spot." You were invited to the camp, and when you got there, you were #2. You saw an opportunity since #1 couldn't solo the camp, so you left the group and refused to participate in the camp.

You have it wrong. I gated from doing Rubi to check on manastone camp, as I do imbetween everything I do. It was down to 1 person, so I listed. The group invite came later. Then he mentions the mob is yellow and thinks we need more people to do it. It rubbed me the wrong way.

[Veeshan31]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have it wrong. I gated from doing Rubi to check on manastone camp, as I do imbetween everything I do. It was down to 1 person, so I listed. The group invite came later. Then he mentions the mob is yellow and thinks we need more people to do it. It rubbed me the wrong way.

Your only making yourself look worse with every post.

[lituviel]

Rooj, you have it completely clear.
Maybe this situation will or won't happen again.
However if this could be tuned up in rules or a player consensus... This situation would surely never happen again.

Apart all the rage and stupidity in this post... We have people for tuning and people against.

Eq is about helping to access content/items/pixels ... But it is also about sharing when you do something together.
I don't mind listing as group ... we kinda did since we were 2 in party when I had mine to make sure I could hold the camp

That was my way to see this camp.
If it is wrong and many people don't understand or agree. Maybe yes it needs a little add-on in rules to make it clear.
Lately I often go on teal in european morning and see 3/4 people max. This situation can happen again

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Veeshan31 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your only making yourself look worse with every post.

How?

[Veeshan31]

Originally Posted by lituviel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rooj, you have it completely clear.
Maybe this situation will or won't happen again.
However if this could be tuned up in rules or a player consensus... This situation would surely never happen again.

Apart all the rage and stupidity in this post... We have people for tuning and people against.

Eq is about helping to access content/items/pixels ... But it is also about sharing when you do something together.
I don't mind listing as group ... we kinda did since we were 2 in party when I had mine to make sure I could hold the camp

That was my way to see this camp.
If it is wrong and many people don't understand or agree. Maybe yes it needs a little add-on in rules to make it clear.
Lately I often go on teal in european morning and see 3/4 people max. This situation can happen again

Your way is to be an ass and refuse to help another player. Normal people dont think like this. They would just help clear the placeholders. The problem isn't /list. The problem is you.

If you really did not want to help another player get a manastone, you would of just left the camp. The fact that you stayed and weren't going to help is what makes you a scumbag.

You even petitioned the #1 on the list to try and get him kicked off.