Monk mitigation too high?

[Rais]

And yes, monks did tank this well in classic. You see a big difference between Monks vs Warriors after lvl 56,where warriors take the cake.

So stop crying.

[Zanti]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And yes, monks did tank this well in classic. You see a big difference between Monks vs Warriors after lvl 56,where warriors take the cake.

So stop crying.

You see no such difference. Ive had monks tank emperor chottal and the spore king without any problems so where then is the benefit of plate? Groups don't want hybrids because they have low dps and their penalty hits the whole group, they don't want warriors because they have to hold back on dps to keep mobs on one person. Right now in seb a PUG group is camping disco 1 and 2 with monk, cleric, chanter, 3 rogues with 0 med time needed.

Why then would you want anything else outside of a raid?

[Slust]

Hybrid exp penalties do not effect the entire group. They don't give cooties, contrary to (popular?) belief.

When a mob dies, the first thing that is calculated is how much exp everyone gets. Using the delicious pie example, 100% of the pie is distributed based upon the levels of everyone in the group. Once this is determined, then the exp penalties get applied, per individual.

So everyone gets their slice of the pie. Then right before each person eats their slice, the penalties hit and anyone with an exp penalty gets a piece of their pie cut off before consumption. If it isn't working like this, then it's a bug. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also the ability to tank != the efficiency of tanking. Plate is meant to give a constant mitigation that gives healers more time to react; since the incoming damage is constant and not bursty, it is much easier for a healer to say "At 30%, I'm going to heal" and know the tank is probably going to make it until then, whereas a Monk is subject to failing a couple avoidance checks and taking more damage more unpredictably.

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Slust [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hybrid exp penalties do not effect the entire group. They don't give cooties, contrary to (popular?) belief.

When a mob dies, the first thing that is calculated is how much exp everyone gets. Using the delicious pie example, 100% of the pie is distributed based upon the levels of everyone in the group. Once this is determined, then the exp penalties get applied, per individual.

So everyone gets their slice of the pie. Then right before each person eats their slice, the penalties hit and anyone with an exp penalty gets a piece of their pie cut off before consumption. If it isn't working like this, then it's a bug. :

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. I'm on my phone right now so giving you Tue link is too annoying. To do but just search for one of the other thousand topics on this where you are proven wrong. There is even a patch note from soe that details how class penalties we're shared with the group until it was changed a month after velious

[Reptak]

Originally Posted by Slust [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also the ability to tank != the efficiency of tanking. Plate is meant to give a constant mitigation that gives healers more time to react; since the incoming damage is constant and not bursty, it is much easier for a healer to say "At 30%, I'm going to heal" and know the tank is probably going to make it until then, whereas a Monk is subject to failing a couple avoidance checks and taking more damage more unpredictably.

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Monks are good dungeon group members because we can dps OR tank. Our avoidance is great, but I don't see how you think our mitigation is too good (or different than 10 years ago). The damage I take is erratic and a cleric needs to be on his or her toes. When I get hit, I get hit big...and like everything in EQ, it comes in streaks. On normal exp mobs this is no big deal. But on anything non-trivial, believe me, I would rather have a plate class tanking. And tbh, I would always rather have a plate class tank 'cause my dps is horrible when tanking and I would rather duck out when the mob is at 30% to bring more exp bags to the group.

Monks took a big nerf in Luclin, no doubt. But it ain't happening here. And thank god. We are a strong class but nothing OP. We are maybe #4 at tanking and #2 at melee dps (maybe). And the best part about being a monk is that having 2 or even 3 is not a problem, and even desired, unlike most classes.

But please...just because we "can" tank, doesn't mean we are preferred tanks.

[Rais]

I personally want a warrior in my group. I play a 60 monk, and I can tell a huge difference between me and a 60 warrior. Sure I CAN tank anything. Hell I tanked Emp when I was lvl 54 on test. Was pretty close battle, but it was mainly due to his life taps.

A monk tanking effectively dicks his dps.The monk just might do the same dps as a Warrior while tanking, maybe little more. I can throw out some %, but you won't understand it.

Using your example of a Monk Cleric 3 Rogues and enchanter as poof. Lol really? ANY GROUP with 3 rogues, enchanter, and cleric won't much any down time. A fucking ranger can tank that group and be fine.

Here I'll lend you some links, so you know as to why Monks WERE nerfed, but in velious. It had nothing to do with monks, it was everything to do with Warriors. Of course in Planes of Power Varent decided to change things back because Monks weren't OP tanking.They FIXED Warriors.

It was mainly 1 person up in arms about it. You should have seen when he would have a shitfit when Denron or Daahoud would tank better than him on raids. It made raids so much fun when Furor would rant. He just used monks as examples, and they got hit.

http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...ad.php?p=10424

http://www.erollisimarr.com/forum/ar...p/t-12437.html

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.erollisimarr.com/forum/ar...p/t-12437.html

What a blast from the past. Although that thread turns into the "Anti Furor Thread" It was a good read. The whole EQ apocalypse and birth of WoW threads are pretty entertaining.