What is the most powerful mob that is soloable?

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by brokenpromise [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like if no other person was helping you down the mob, its solo. Obviously you are going to get buffs, consumables and anything else to give you as much of an advantage as possible.

Consumables and buffs from other players are not the same. If that monk farmed up consumables that cast aego and FoS on him then it would be solo, but if other players are giving you buffs then other players are assisting you and it's not solo.

[Wallicker]

We need a classic solo artist challenge! Make it for each class and solo should be self buffs only no clickies.

[brokenpromise]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Consumables and buffs from other players are not the same. If that monk farmed up consumables that cast aego and FoS on him then it would be solo, but if other players are giving you buffs then other players are assisting you and it's not solo.

You guys are kind of ridiculous.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like we just need better terminology, like say 2-4 "levels" of soloing. When someone says "I soloed ___", I feel like we should start expecting them to specify which "level".

For instance, instead of just saying "I soloed ____", if you add a word or two, and we all agree on the meaning, everything can be so much clearer:

• I "true soloed" ____
  • ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, and without using any consumable items
• I "potion soloed" ____
  • ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, but used consumable items
• I "soloed with assistance" ____
  • ie. I killed the mob myself, but received assistance from others in the form of pulling, buffs, etc. ... and may or may not have used consumables

This is almost exactly what the SAC did, dude. Why are you bringing all this up like it's a new idea?

Look at my SAC sheet. Notice the symbols next to S sometimes? Those mean things. Go read what they mean. Or how some people mark a D instead of an S? Guess what that means. Lol.

The original post spelled out rules for assisted clears, assisted pulls, grandfathered kills from invis pull era, clicky use, all of that.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by brokenpromise [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When did we need solo tiers? I feel like if no other person was helping you down the mob, its solo. Obviously you are going to get buffs, consumables and anything else to give you as much of an advantage as possible.

Let's not stop there. Let's add more tiers

I "naked soloed"

I "blindfolded soloed"

I "turned off my monitor and unplugged my mouse soloed"

When did this become a thing? Is this something unique to p99? I dont remember this solo tier nonsense on live.

We don't need anything. First off, as I tried to stress heavily, being a "solo artist" is largely a personal challenge.

At the same time though, there is a community aspect to it. Solo artists like talking to other solo artists. And, as I also thought was clear, different people disagree about the meaning of the word. If you want proof, look no further than this very thread [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All that I am saying is, if we as a community "standardized" things, then we'd never have Person A saying "I soloed ___" and actually meaning "I soloed it without potions or other players", and Person B saying literally the exact same thing ("I soloed ___") ... but when they say it they mean "I soloed it with buffs from other players and five puppet strings".

It's not about anyone needing to do anything, it's just about understanding your fellow poster and not getting into fights because a word meant something different to them.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by brokenpromise [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are kind of ridiculous.

What is ridiculous about that? Can you explain how it is killing something SOLO if you use buffs from other players to do it? It is literally getting assistance from other players in order to help kill the mob.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is almost exactly what the SAC did, dude. Why are you bringing all this up like it's a new idea?

Look at my SAC sheet. Notice the symbols next to S sometimes? Those mean things. Go read what they mean. Or how some people mark a D instead of an S? Guess what that means. Lol.

I'm the person that copied your SAC sheet into the wiki, so yes I absolutely read it, and look I never tried to claim that the idea of qualifying solo attempts was a unique one that I made up. On the contrary, this entire discussion is predicated on the very idea that such distinctions existed. But at the same time, as this thread proves, there's still a ton of confusion when someone says "I soloed ___", and those categories being in your post/on that page hasn't solved that confusion.

Just because you made a few categories on your own however many years ago, EVEN IF they were the perfect categories for you and solo artists then, it doesn't mean those are the best possible ones, or what everyone else should use now. Maybe they are: if you read my posts I NEVER said what I was proposing was the best at all. I was purely trying to get the ball rolling.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

• I "true soloed" ____
  • ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, and without using any consumable items
• I "potion soloed" ____
  • ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, but used consumable items
• I "soloed with assistance" ____
  • ie. I killed the mob myself, but received assistance from others in the form of pulling, buffs, etc. ... and may or may not have used consumables

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only

[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

[S*] -> Soloed without pull (or invis pulled)

[S*-] -> Soloed without pull and used strong item clickies

That doesn't seem identical at all to me. Of course there's similarities, but there's some very obvious differences, like say the fact that my list had 3 and your's had 4.

Plus it makes the assumption that A) "strong item clickies" is a universally understood term, and B) that everyone 100% agrees on which ones are strong and which aren't. I don't think that's settled at all.

And again THE WHOLE POINT is that people here think they know what everyone else is thinking! If everyone understood the word "solo" to mean the same thing, this thread wouldn't exist!

[brokenpromise]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't need anything. First off, as I tried to stress heavily, being a "solo artist" is largely a personal challenge.

At the same time though, there is a community aspect to it. Solo artists like talking to other solo artists. And, as I also thought was clear, different people disagree about the meaning of the word. If you want proof, look no further than this very thread [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All that I am saying is, if we as a community "standardized" things, then we'd never have Person A saying "I soloed ___" and actually meaning "I soloed it without potions or other players", and Person B saying literally the exact same thing ("I soloed ___") ... but when they say it they mean "I soloed it with buffs from other players and five puppet strings".

It's not about anyone needing to do anything, it's just about understanding your fellow poster and not getting into fights because a word meant something different to them.

I hear you. I guess I'm way out of the solo artist loop. I assumed without some buffs and consumables some mobs are just not possible. To me it seems obvious. If you are going to go after X mob and it's either a requirement or extremely helpful to have Y, that's what you are going to do. I never wouldve imagined there is a real community that considers a buffed player not soloing.

[Tecmos Deception]

Lor, the categories were perfectly sufficient for anyone who wanted to do the challenge or who enjoyed readingnabout it. You think "strong clicky" is vague but that there's no difference between using a disease cure pot and 10x stinging worts? Your attempt at categories is no better than before.

The only people who complain about anything in the sac are people who weren't doing it, couldn't understand how anyone would have fun with it, mocked people who enjoyed doing it or reading about it, etc. That's all pretty apparent for someone who followed it, or even just this thread.

[Donkey Hotay]

Everyone in this thread who is hating on soloers because no one gives a shit about their rogue.