Official Staff Explanation on how Green Hybrid/Race Penalty XP will function, please?

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's an unfortunate situation. I'll certainly be missing out on meeting a lot of great players and cool people, but I simply WILL NOT be inviting any Hybrids to my xp groups. My time is a lot more valuable these days than it was 20 years ago and knowing that I'll be slowing my progress so significantly will detract from my enjoyment of the game.

Enjoy inviting that level 33 Warrior over the 30 Paladin. The Warrior in that case would slow your progress as much or more than the 30 Paladin would (and more still if some stuff you pull /cons green to the higher-level guy). Granted everyone reading this thread knows pesky things like reality won't stop situations like that from happening anyway. Perception > reality.

Oh, and better either lead every group you're in or be prepared to leave any group at a moment's notice because it's a fair bet you'll be grouping with folks who aren't as picky.

Danth

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Deathrydar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some people just have strange priorities in a game created for groups and commadere.

/shrug

I'll almost certainly be playing a group-REQUIRED Class. I'm all about the group-game aspect of EverQuest! Indeed it's what I think is missing the most from modern-design MMOs.

But we need to face reality! We're living in the min/max era of gaming and MANY players on G99, especially when the server first opens, are going to move into the server with this min/max mindset.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enjoy inviting that level 33 Warrior over the 30 Paladin. The Warrior in that case would slow your progress as much or more than the 30 Paladin would (and more still if some stuff you pull /cons green to the higher-level guy). Granted everyone reading this thread knows pesky things like reality won't stop situations like that from happening anyway. Perception > reality.

Oh, and better either lead every group you're in or be prepared to leave any group at a moment's notice because it's a fair bet you'll be grouping with folks who aren't as picky.

Danth

Why did you bring a three-level-disparity in to the discussion? Fact is that many groups wont even need an melee-tanking class. Mage Pets are more than sufficient for tanking Classic-era content and mages are like to be the second or third most populist class on the server.

[zaneosak]

To not include anybody with an XP penalty would require you to not invite a single Troll or Ogre of any class, any SK, any paladin, any Ranger, any Bard, and if 20% penalty is too much for you -- no monks either. That seems very hard to do. I would think you'd be better off finding your players now that think alike and building the "perfect xp group" with at least a warrior, rogue, multiple halflings, and as little casters as you can get away with. I'm not sure how many kills per hour you'll get but those kills will be juicy XP chunks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But we need to face reality! We're living in the min/max era of gaming and MANY players on G99, especially when the server first opens, are going to move into the server with this min/max mindset.

I don't live in that world!

[zaneosak]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll almost certainly be playing a group-REQUIRED Class. I'm all about the group-game aspect of EverQuest! Indeed it's what I think is missing the most from modern-design MMOs.

But we need to face reality! We're living in the min/max era of gaming and MANY players on G99, especially when the server first opens, are going to move into the server with this min/max mindset.

It's hard to min-max others. If you're playing a group-oriented class, you will need to have the group pre-made if you want to min-max, so everybody is on the same page. Min-maxing as a solo player is alot easier because you have complete and all control.

[zaneosak]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll almost certainly be playing a group-REQUIRED Class. I'm all about the group-game aspect of EverQuest! Indeed it's what I think is missing the most from modern-design MMOs.

But we need to face reality! We're living in the min/max era of gaming and MANY players on G99, especially when the server first opens, are going to move into the server with this min/max mindset.



Why did you bring a three-level-disparity in to the discussion? Fact is that many groups wont even need an melee-tanking class. Mage Pets are more than sufficient for tanking Classic-era content and mages are like to be the second or third most populist class on the server.

He brought it up because level disparity is more at *most* level increments than the race penalty is. So not only do you have to make sure you nit pick the hybrids you dont play with you also need to make sure you are only grouping with players your level.... or if you want to go next-level min-maxing just build the group yourself every time and make sure you're 4 levels higher than the other 5 and you can really juice all the XP for yourself. If you really wanna min-max you may as well do it at the expense of your counterparts especially if you're already going to purposely ignore certain players because of their class choice. Go big or go home!

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by zaneosak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So not only do you have to make sure you nit pick the hybrids you dont play with you also need to make sure you are only grouping with players your level

That will be relatively easy on a fresh server launch when you're gonna have several "tiers" of players all maintaining the same level-spread.

Originally Posted by zaneosak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's hard to min-max others. If you're playing a group-oriented class

Absolutely! I plan of making my own groups 90% of the time. Not only does it allow me to pick and choose what classes/levels etc I want in the group it's also almost ALWAYS faster than just sitting around LFG.

[zaneosak]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That will be relatively easy on a fresh server launch when you're gonna have several "tiers" of players all maintaining the same level-spread.



Absolutely! I plan of making my own groups 90% of the time. Not only does it allow me to pick and choose what classes/levels etc I want in the group it's also almost ALWAYS faster than just sitting around LFG.

Just don't forget to give the disclaimer about how penalizing it is to group with people higher than you when you invite those lower players. I am sure you want them to be given the knowledge you have since you love the grouping and socialization aspect of classic Everquest. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why did you bring a three-level-disparity in to the discussion?

Because your posts indicate you have an incomplete understanding of how experience is divided in the original game. Otherwise you wouldn't be harping about hybrids, you'd be harping about people who are higher-level than you. Heck, hybrids aren't even the only classes with experience penalties. That Magician standing there? He has a penalty.

Not telling you what to do. You want to try to min-max your group structure for your own benefit? Have at it. However, if you're going to do something, do it right and read up on how the mechanics work.

Danth

[Donkey Hotay]

The topic of this conversation won't directly affect me because I usually duo--primarily because the Vizax Xaziv personality type tends to accumulate the higher level you get. However, as a devil's advocate, an extra hour per level per hybrid is not insignificant.