Do you want open book/blind meditiation?

[Nilstoniakrath]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not about pick and choose, it's about viable and not. The P99 folks do everything viable, but classic boxing isn't viable.

In classic you had to pay for two accounts, both for the first box, every expansion, and every month. You also had to have two physical computers: EQW didn't come until later, and even then it was ban-worthy tech for the entire classic era.

P99 can't technically force only one instance to run (even if they did people could run VMs). They also can't charge: that's part of their deal with Daybreak (or at least is presumed to be).

So they have two choices, and both are 100% unclassic: no boxing, or people boxing all over the damn place. Most other EQ Emu servers (all of which have pop <100) go the latter route. P99 went the former, and I think anyone who has played on both will tell you, the P99 choice is by far more classic.

Also .. you're a child. I don't even want to invest effort into insulting you better, because it's not even really an insult: more a statement of fact. Baler and Nirgon may not be the friendliest people in this forum, but that response was childish.

Sorry if I was not clear in my sarcasm. I have no desire for p99 to allow boxing.

[Nilstoniakrath]

Just to be clear, my last response was directed at those who white knight any dissent against any thing "classic". I was offended that a couple of others tried to discredit my argument based on the idea that suggesting ANYTHING non-classic is a heretical idea and those who do so are a) weak and incapable everquest players, and/or b) someone seeking an easy path to leveling. I was making the point that p99 by banning boxing, is inherently NOT adhering 100% to a PURE classic ruleset, whether that is by intention, or code limitations, or whatever other factors impact the devs in how they design p99. By trying to position themselves as "classic purists" those who I called out are in fact hypocrits because they agree with the ban on boxing (or if I am wrong, feel free to argue FOR boxing, LOL), while trying to denigrate me for the sin of advocating for multiple chat windows. And to be clear, again, I support the ban on boxing, and at the end of the day, I will play Green regardless of what they decide to allow re: chat windows, single or multiple.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Nilstoniakrath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to be clear, my last response was directed at those who white knight any dissent against any thing "classic". I was offended that a couple of others tried to discredit my argument based on the idea that suggesting ANYTHING non-classic is a heretical idea and those who do so are a) weak and incapable everquest players, and/or b) someone seeking an easy path to leveling. I was making the point that p99 by banning boxing, is inherently NOT adhering 100% to a PURE classic ruleset, whether that is by intention, or code limitations, or whatever other factors impact the devs in how they design p99. By trying to position themselves as "classic purists" those who I called out are in fact hypocrits because they agree with the ban on boxing (or if I am wrong, feel free to argue FOR boxing, LOL), while trying to denigrate me for the sin of advocating for multiple chat windows. And to be clear, again, I support the ban on boxing, and at the end of the day, I will play Green regardless of what they decide to allow re: chat windows, single or multiple.

Did you not read what I wrote? There is no classic boxing possible on P99!

If the devs allow boxing, it won't be classic: there was not limitless free accounts in 1999, and you couldn't control multiple accounts from a computer the way you can now.

If they don't allow boxing, it won't be classic: there was no limit except your pocket book and how many computers you could physically control in classic.

You can't call people hypocrites if they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[Nilstoniakrath]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you not read what I wrote? There is no classic boxing possible on P99!

If the devs allow boxing, it won't be classic: there was not limitless free accounts in 1999, and you couldn't control multiple accounts from a computer the way you can now.

If they don't allow boxing, it won't be classic: there was no limit except your pocket book and how many computers you could physically control in classic.

You can't call people hypocrites if they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I would argue the same thing, re: multiple chat windows

If the devs allow multiple chat windows, it wont be classic, because they weren't allowed back then

If they eliminate multiple chat windows, people will just be more likely to insist that others use Discord or other chat apps that weren't available back then, and that is definitely NOT classic. In my opinion, it is more true to the classic vision to allow multiple chat windows, so as to not encourage Discord or other chat app use. It is the same argument as in the boxing question. Feel free to disagree on the merits, but if you do so AND you call me out as a classic heretic or someone wanting a free ride/easy path to 60, I will respond in kind

Lastly, I will just say that I really don't care that much either way. What I am most excited about for Green is to relive the vanilla experience, which I missed on both Live (started during Velious) and p99 (started during Kunark). So even if the devs put in things that I really don't like, as long as it is true to Classic, which I trust that that is their goal, I will have no complaint

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you not read what I wrote? There is no classic boxing possible on P99!

If the devs allow boxing, it won't be classic: there was not limitless free accounts in 1999, and you couldn't control multiple accounts from a computer the way you can now.

If they don't allow boxing, it won't be classic: there was no limit except your pocket book and how many computers you could physically control in classic.

This is true. Multiple computers (one game running per rig) multiple boxed copies purchased, monthly service fee for each one, multiple phone lines or upgrading and paying for early cable with a router. Then trying to multitask each character, pretty sad in a MMO. My roommate finally got a new computer in the middle of Kunark era. He put his cleric on the old computer and kept him looking at the wall while playing his rogue on the new one. Was it good? maybe, other guildmates wanted to join us but his cleric needed xp as well.

Pretty ridiculous walking into our computer room with 4 computers in it. Even the cable guy made a remark. Don't try explaining you spend X amount of money to play a video game past 30 years old... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL/DR: Self regulating

Originally Posted by Nilstoniakrath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would argue the same thing, re: multiple chat windows

If the devs allow multiple chat windows, it wont be classic, because they weren't allowed back then

If they eliminate multiple chat windows, people will just be more likely to insist that others use Discord or other chat apps that weren't available back then, and that is definitely NOT classic. In my opinion, it is more true to the classic vision to allow multiple chat windows, so as to not encourage Discord or other chat app use. It is the same argument as in the boxing question. Feel free to disagree on the merits, but if you do so AND you call me out as a classic heretic or someone wanting a free ride/easy path to 60, I will respond in kind

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I can't make others not use something like that but I would prefer not to. Single chat window works good enough. All of this organization to lockdown raid spawns. Then people complain about lockdown. Ill take a single chat, not batphone or other communication instead of instances.