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[Shadey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really understand how you're missing the point so terribly.

Gear doesn't increase the necros damage. Period. It gives a larger pool of health and mana to work with. His damage is the same. The fact that you mention having up to date spells as if it wasn't a given shows you aren't even close to being on the same page we're talking about in regard to uber twinks. The difference in damage between an uber twink necro and regular geared necro is zero. The spells do the same damage either way.

Now compare the damage difference between a no haste monk with Fighting Batons to a 24%+ hasted monk with a RFS and lots of STR gear. The difference is absolutely absurd.

It sounds like you haven't played an uber twink melee (or any uber twink for that matter) so I'm not sure what you use to make the judgement that a uber tiwnked monk couldn't level as fast as a necro.

I guess your not getting the point. You give a Necro those tools I mentioned and his overall dps will be higher then the twinked out monk. He will pull more mobs and kill more mobs thus his "overall" dps will be MUCH higher. Gaining xp faster. Are you getting it yet??

And having up to date spells isn't an option for everyone unless they are making very good plat and lucking out in drops of mob dropped spells or words for their research (and skilling research isn't cheap either). For those without a big bank account backing them its a struggle to get all their spells. Guess you wouldn't know that since you must be rich. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds to me like you don't know much about Necro's. Maybe you should comment when learn a bit more.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Shadey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess your not getting the point. You give a Necro those tools I mentioned and his overall dps will be higher then the twinked out monk. He will pull more mobs and kill more mobs thus his "overall" dps will be MUCH higher. Gaining xp faster. Are you getting it yet??

And having up to date spells isn't an option for everyone unless they are making very good plat and lucking out in drops of mob dropped spells or words for their research (and skilling research isn't cheap either). For those without a big bank account backing them its a struggle to get all their spells. Guess you wouldn't know that since you must be rich. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds to me like you don't know much about Necro's. Maybe you should comment when learn a bit more.

I like how you accuse me of not getting it, then go on some rant that misses the point entirely, lol

The difference in DPS between a uber twinked necro and a regular geared necro is ZERO. There is NO DPS difference. The time difference in leveling a massively twinked necro and a regular geared necro is minuscule. The only thing that would make a significant difference is if you have a manastone+fungi staff or a Rod of Annihilation + Tola robe. Having JUST a manastone would help, but wont make a huge ground breaking difference in leveling time.

Compare that to a monk, where a monk with a fungi robe and a Wu's Quivering Staff (a cheap low end weapon, imagine what the monk could do with a RFS and 36% haste) will easily level twice as fast as a monk with fighting batons and random crappy armor. That's the point of the original statement about a twinked caster not being as exciting. Your damage isn't boosted except with a couple very rare exceptions as a caster, whereas the difference it makes in melee is insane. Whether a necro kills more than the monk is completely irrelevant to the original statement.

I do like how you toss in that bit about me not knowing much about necros. You've made several statements that make it clear you speak not from experience, but from assumptions and hypotheticals, whereas I am speaking from experience (not that you need experience to know that more HP and MANA wont make your spells do more damage.)

[Shadey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like how you accuse me of not getting it, then go on some rant that misses the point entirely, lol

The difference in DPS between a uber twinked necro and a regular geared necro is ZERO. There is NO DPS difference. The time difference in leveling a massively twinked necro and a regular geared necro is minuscule. The only thing that would make a significant difference is if you have a manastone+fungi staff or a Rod of Annihilation + Tola robe. Having JUST a manastone would help, but wont make a huge ground breaking difference in leveling time.

Compare that to a monk, where a monk with a fungi robe and a Wu's Quivering Staff (a cheap low end weapon, imagine what the monk could do with a RFS and 36% haste) will easily level twice as fast as a monk with fighting batons and random crappy armor. That's the point of the original statement about a twinked caster not being as exciting. Your damage isn't boosted except with a couple very rare exceptions as a caster, whereas the difference it makes in melee is insane. Whether a necro kills more than the monk is completely irrelevant to the original statement.

I do like how you toss in that bit about me not knowing much about necros. You've made several statement that make it clear you speak not from experience, but from assumptions and hypothetical ideas, whereas I am speaking from experience (not that you need experience to know that more HP and MANA wont make your spells do more damage.)

You clearly don't what I am saying or Necro's at all for that matter. I'm speaking from 7+ years experience in live from the start of eq to the top of Omens (raiding all end game content and doing all xp zones). How long have you played a necro?

I guess you need some glasses or something in order to read what I wrote so you might be able to comprehend what i'm saying (or someone to explain it to you really slow). Because there is one key word and one key phrase your totally missing "OVERALL" (need a dictionary???) in regards to the phrase that the overall dps of the Necro will be much higher as they will be able to pull more often, cast more often and kill faster with the gear mentioned. This is the key where the "OVERALL" dps will be much higher!


You clearly do not understand the class. Your basing your assumptions off of your limited experience.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Shadey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly don't what I am saying or Necro's at all for that matter. I'm speaking from 7+ years experience in live from the start of eq to the top of Omens (raiding all end game content and doing all xp zones). How long have you played a necro?

I guess you need some glasses or something in order to read what I wrote so you might be able to comprehend what i'm saying (or someone to explain it to you really slow). Because there is one key word and one key phrase your totally missing "OVERALL" (need a dictionary???) in regards to the phrase that the overall dps of the Necro will be much higher as they will be able to pull more often, cast more often and kill faster with the gear mentioned. This and this is key the "OVERALL" dps will be much higher!


You clearly do not understand the class. Your basing your assumptions off of your limited experience.

You obviously don't have a very solid understanding of math. I'll just leave it at that and say rock on buddy, keep fighting the good fight!

[Shadey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You obviously don't have a very solid understanding of math. I'll just leave it at that and say rock on buddy, keep fighting the good fight!

You don't have a very good understanding of math or eq. So rock on with yourself.

Love that comment btw. You rock! NOT

[soup]

Originally Posted by Shadey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have a very good understanding of math or eq. So rock on with yourself.

Love that comment btw. Your rock! NOT

I'll give you a hint before I go:
The longer the period of time you look at, the less difference there will be in the number of mobs the twinked and not twinked necro will kill. If both start at full HP and mana and just kill til oom, obviously the one with more HP and mana gets more kills in that time, but once you get to a timeline long enough that the regen factors in, suddenly that larger pool isn't all that relevant, since the REGEN is what determines your killing rate, and since your gear doesn't make your spells do more damage nor does it increase your regen, it means the longer the timeline, the less difference there will be, since your both using the same regen rate regardless of gear. If you're killing for hours nonstop, the difference will be almost nothing. Even manastone alone doesn't make a massive difference since your HP will run low and then your stuck restoring it to full with the same low level spells that restore the same amount of HP regardless of your gear.

Obviously timeline doesn't mean days or weeks or months. I figured I should point that out since you don't seem incredibly sharp.

Bye.

[Shadey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll give you a hint before I go:
The longer the period of time you look at, the less difference there will be in the number of mobs the twinked and not twinked necro will kill. If both start at full HP and mana and just kill til oom, obviously the one with more HP and mana gets more kills in that time, but once you get to a timeline long enough that the regen factors in, suddenly that larger pool isn't all that relevant, since the REGEN is what determines your killing rate, and since your gear doesn't make your spells do more damage nor does it increase your regen, it means the longer the timeline, the less difference there will be, since your both using the same regen rate regardless of gear. If you're killing for hours nonstop, the difference will be almost nothing. Even manastone alone doesn't make a massive difference since your HP will run low and then your stuck restoring it to full with the same low level spells that restore the same amount of HP regardless of your gear.

Obviously timeline doesn't mean days or weeks or months. I figured I should point that out since you don't seem incredibly sharp.

Bye.

Good try but no dice there. Come back when you actually learn more about the class. Then we'll talk.

Oh let me leave you with lil links for a cpl items that will increase a "Twinked" necro's damage on their spells.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=775
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=959

[gnomishfirework]

Originally Posted by Shadey

I guess your not getting the point. You give a Necro those tools I mentioned and his overall dps will be higher then the twinked out monk. He will pull more mobs and kill more mobs thus his "overall" dps will be MUCH higher. Gaining xp faster. Are you getting it yet??

And having up to date spells isn't an option for everyone unless they are making very good plat and lucking out in drops of mob dropped spells or words for their research (and skilling research isn't cheap either). For those without a big bank account backing them its a struggle to get all their spells. Guess you wouldn't know that since you must be rich. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds to me like you don't know much about Necro's. Maybe you should comment when learn a bit more.

You are awkward in your phrasing. It's uptime, not dps, that would be greater. I understand you mean the necros total damage per an extended amount of time will exceed a monk because they have less downtime, but it's an odd way of putting it.

Kills per hour or exp per hour is what you should be saying.

[Shadey]

Originally Posted by gnomishfirework [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are awkward in your phrasing. It's uptime, not dps, that would be greater. I understand you mean the necros total damage per an extended amount of time will exceed a monk because they have less downtime, but it's an odd way of putting it.

Kills per hour or exp per hour is what you should be saying.

All depends on what your used to. In my years of experience overall dps is a common phrase. But you are correct in your interpretation. Thank you. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[gnomishfirework]

Originally Posted by Shadey

All depends on what your used to. In my years of experience overall dps is a common phrase. But you are correct in your interpretation. Thank you. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way you are phrasing it makes you come off like you don't know what it is you are saying.

I've never heard anyone, in any game, use DPS in that context.