What would you roll if.........

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Furniture [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I couldnt help but read

Ignore this guy.


He didn't add to the OP anyway, just trollin. My answer still stands at none [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
you twinkers! lol

BTW I'm in So.Cal, welcome to come and try.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Shadey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The dmg is relative to the necros hp, mana pool and mana/hp regen. Swap out that fungi for a mana stone. Get lots of hp/mana/int gear. Get all the spells (costs a lot as you lvl up and increases dmg A LOT just like twinking a melee does). Once the Lich surpasses the Mana Stone you can sell it or throw it to an alt.

As far as a Monk lvln as fast as necro I doubt that and as you said it had the xp bonus going. Which makes a big difference.

As far as fun it all depends on what you like. A necro can do OMFG dmg too when played right. LOL.

I don't really understand how you're missing the point so terribly.

Gear doesn't increase the necros damage. Period. It gives a larger pool of health and mana to work with. His damage is the same. The fact that you mention having up to date spells as if it wasn't a given shows you aren't even close to being on the same page we're talking about in regard to uber twinks. The difference in damage between an uber twink necro and regular geared necro is zero. The spells do the same damage either way.

Now compare the damage difference between a no haste monk with Fighting Batons to a 24%+ hasted monk with a RFS and lots of STR gear. The difference is absolutely absurd.

It sounds like you haven't played an uber twink melee (or any uber twink for that matter) so I'm not sure what you use to make the judgement that a uber tiwnked monk couldn't level as fast as a necro.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh hell yeah, even Verant got in on it, hence the level restrictions that came about later?? Wasn't minority at all, at all, the forums were on fire with the debates and game changes happened over the heavy twinking. OOC would get flames regular over twinks. A lot of people just twinked to be rude, so they could be antisocial and screw with other peoples games/camps. Like the same shit happens here. It's bad for the game. And who says I have so much anger? geez, people can't even have a conversation without slingin or being told to shut up.

Bad for the game in what way? That they can kill more than you? Heaven forbid someone kills more stuff than you, eh? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if you want to talk easy mode, do you give necros grief for soloing super quickly and efficiently? I mean look, the other guy in this thread thinks a necro can solo faster than a uber twink monk, but the monk is playing easy mode and the necro isn't?

I just think it's terribly ironic how you talk about how twinks "ruin the game" even though you're the one spitting out negativity. It's not like it's common behavior for twinks to go around shit talking people for having bad gear. Hell, in my experience they're more likely to come and give you some gear, a positive thing to do, rather than spreading negative energy like you seem to want to do. :dunno:

[Shadey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really understand how you're missing the point so terribly.

Gear doesn't increase the necros damage. Period. It gives a larger pool of health and mana to work with. His damage is the same. The fact that you mention having up to date spells as if it wasn't a given shows you aren't even close to being on the same page we're talking about in regard to uber twinks. The difference in damage between an uber twink necro and regular geared necro is zero. The spells do the same damage either way.

Now compare the damage difference between a no haste monk with Fighting Batons to a 24%+ hasted monk with a RFS and lots of STR gear. The difference is absolutely absurd.

It sounds like you haven't played an uber twink melee (or any uber twink for that matter) so I'm not sure what you use to make the judgement that a uber tiwnked monk couldn't level as fast as a necro.

I guess your not getting the point. You give a Necro those tools I mentioned and his overall dps will be higher then the twinked out monk. He will pull more mobs and kill more mobs thus his "overall" dps will be MUCH higher. Gaining xp faster. Are you getting it yet??

And having up to date spells isn't an option for everyone unless they are making very good plat and lucking out in drops of mob dropped spells or words for their research (and skilling research isn't cheap either). For those without a big bank account backing them its a struggle to get all their spells. Guess you wouldn't know that since you must be rich. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds to me like you don't know much about Necro's. Maybe you should comment when learn a bit more.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Shadey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess your not getting the point. You give a Necro those tools I mentioned and his overall dps will be higher then the twinked out monk. He will pull more mobs and kill more mobs thus his "overall" dps will be MUCH higher. Gaining xp faster. Are you getting it yet??

And having up to date spells isn't an option for everyone unless they are making very good plat and lucking out in drops of mob dropped spells or words for their research (and skilling research isn't cheap either). For those without a big bank account backing them its a struggle to get all their spells. Guess you wouldn't know that since you must be rich. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds to me like you don't know much about Necro's. Maybe you should comment when learn a bit more.

I like how you accuse me of not getting it, then go on some rant that misses the point entirely, lol

The difference in DPS between a uber twinked necro and a regular geared necro is ZERO. There is NO DPS difference. The time difference in leveling a massively twinked necro and a regular geared necro is minuscule. The only thing that would make a significant difference is if you have a manastone+fungi staff or a Rod of Annihilation + Tola robe. Having JUST a manastone would help, but wont make a huge ground breaking difference in leveling time.

Compare that to a monk, where a monk with a fungi robe and a Wu's Quivering Staff (a cheap low end weapon, imagine what the monk could do with a RFS and 36% haste) will easily level twice as fast as a monk with fighting batons and random crappy armor. That's the point of the original statement about a twinked caster not being as exciting. Your damage isn't boosted except with a couple very rare exceptions as a caster, whereas the difference it makes in melee is insane. Whether a necro kills more than the monk is completely irrelevant to the original statement.

I do like how you toss in that bit about me not knowing much about necros. You've made several statements that make it clear you speak not from experience, but from assumptions and hypotheticals, whereas I am speaking from experience (not that you need experience to know that more HP and MANA wont make your spells do more damage.)

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rather than spreading negative energy like you seem to want to do. :dunno:

What is this, a séance?!? Some kinda energy whirlpool from the nether world you think I have command over? My answer is still none, you twinkers gettin eaten up by it.

As for why, I won't derail the thread. But obviously EQ is a social game, and where camp and group slots are in competition. If this server explodes with twinks, people are just not going to start playing here and thus will kill the community, apart from the twinks. Just like heavy multi-boxing was killing peq. When you get the many twinks screwing with lower level camps as is happening now, people will just leave.

[Shadey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like how you accuse me of not getting it, then go on some rant that misses the point entirely, lol

The difference in DPS between a uber twinked necro and a regular geared necro is ZERO. There is NO DPS difference. The time difference in leveling a massively twinked necro and a regular geared necro is minuscule. The only thing that would make a significant difference is if you have a manastone+fungi staff or a Rod of Annihilation + Tola robe. Having JUST a manastone would help, but wont make a huge ground breaking difference in leveling time.

Compare that to a monk, where a monk with a fungi robe and a Wu's Quivering Staff (a cheap low end weapon, imagine what the monk could do with a RFS and 36% haste) will easily level twice as fast as a monk with fighting batons and random crappy armor. That's the point of the original statement about a twinked caster not being as exciting. Your damage isn't boosted except with a couple very rare exceptions as a caster, whereas the difference it makes in melee is insane. Whether a necro kills more than the monk is completely irrelevant to the original statement.

I do like how you toss in that bit about me not knowing much about necros. You've made several statement that make it clear you speak not from experience, but from assumptions and hypothetical ideas, whereas I am speaking from experience (not that you need experience to know that more HP and MANA wont make your spells do more damage.)

You clearly don't what I am saying or Necro's at all for that matter. I'm speaking from 7+ years experience in live from the start of eq to the top of Omens (raiding all end game content and doing all xp zones). How long have you played a necro?

I guess you need some glasses or something in order to read what I wrote so you might be able to comprehend what i'm saying (or someone to explain it to you really slow). Because there is one key word and one key phrase your totally missing "OVERALL" (need a dictionary???) in regards to the phrase that the overall dps of the Necro will be much higher as they will be able to pull more often, cast more often and kill faster with the gear mentioned. This is the key where the "OVERALL" dps will be much higher!


You clearly do not understand the class. Your basing your assumptions off of your limited experience.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is this, a séance?!? Some kinda energy whirlpool from the nether world you think I have command over? My answer is still none, you twinkers gettin eaten up by it.

...what the hell are you even talking about here? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this server explodes with twinks, people are just not going to start playing here and thus will kill the community

That's a hell of a logic jump there that conveniently skips having to answer why it bothers you in the least. In what way do you conclude that twinks discourage people from playing here? Just because you say it's so doesn't make it true.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Shadey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly don't what I am saying or Necro's at all for that matter. I'm speaking from 7+ years experience in live from the start of eq to the top of Omens (raiding all end game content and doing all xp zones). How long have you played a necro?

I guess you need some glasses or something in order to read what I wrote so you might be able to comprehend what i'm saying (or someone to explain it to you really slow). Because there is one key word and one key phrase your totally missing "OVERALL" (need a dictionary???) in regards to the phrase that the overall dps of the Necro will be much higher as they will be able to pull more often, cast more often and kill faster with the gear mentioned. This and this is key the "OVERALL" dps will be much higher!


You clearly do not understand the class. Your basing your assumptions off of your limited experience.

You obviously don't have a very solid understanding of math. I'll just leave it at that and say rock on buddy, keep fighting the good fight!

[Akim]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shit you cant even hardly get in a group here now unless you are twinked. This server is turning stupid, going down the same road that destroyed live. So f u and your "ignore him". Pansies!

Yeahh. So.
Server restart! Should clone it; Open up a second classic server.
With all the fixes that have happened since opening that would help with our .. plat .. problem.

Shit everyone I know has a twink now. Everyone whose been here a while- Not very encouraging.
Yet we could of expected this when kunark settled!