When I knew we were done

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Zekayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

New Option lol theres always been options outside of AM

At the top? Core who was raid banned for their entire existence? Awakened who was raid banned into oblivion? There's never been a competitor who held equal/superior ground and people are finally deciding it's time to move with the new raid meta benefiting greater numbers and 24/7 capability.

[Littul Jonn]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the top? Core who was raid banned for their entire existence? Awakened who was raid banned into oblivion? There's never been a competitor who held equal/superior ground and people are finally deciding it's time to move with the new raid meta benefiting greater numbers and 24/7 capability.

Azure Guard had our moment in the sun, but after we worked our asses off to get there the rooted dragon meta was introduced. We were not willing go take on the large amount of people needed to get dragons at this level at the cost of our identity. Would have been fun to have a few more months of dragon pulls with Core, AG, AM, and PS in the mix but oh well.

Quick side note, 70+ people *required* to kill stuff in ToV is too many for a dragon that only drops 1-3 items. AG would field 12 clerics and that still wouldn't be enough, just seems a bit crazy to me. Anyway, a new season is here for p99, will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

[Nuggie]

Originally Posted by Littul Jonn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quick side note, 70+ people *required* to kill stuff in ToV is too many for a dragon that only drops 1-3 items. AG would field 12 clerics and that still wouldn't be enough, just seems a bit crazy to me. Anyway, a new season is here for p99, will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

That's why the devs put so many dragons in NToV. So you'd spend a day oclearing the place, but you'd kill a boatload of dragons at 1-3 drops a piece. It wasn't designed for P99's crazy hyper competitive ways.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by Littul Jonn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Azure Guard had our moment in the sun, but after we worked our asses off to get there the rooted dragon meta was introduced. We were not willing go take on the large amount of people needed to get dragons at this level at the cost of our identity. Would have been fun to have a few more months of dragon pulls with Core, AG, AM, and PS in the mix but oh well.

Quick side note, 70+ people *required* to kill stuff in ToV is too many for a dragon that only drops 1-3 items. AG would field 12 clerics and that still wouldn't be enough, just seems a bit crazy to me. Anyway, a new season is here for p99, will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

This is what made me most confused/upset about Braknar wigging out and quitting because "Rogean/Nilbog doesn't even care". AG was JUST starting to get big targets. And... Core was getting big targets too. Tempest had been dead for about 3 weeks (Which is where 90% of raid drama stemmed from.. AM and Tempest disputes) It looked like we were all going to get along. It was shaping up to be a fun era, as 3 guild pull competition was going to be a blast. I distinctly remember AG getting a few Vulaks when you guys were going hard, and I remember Core getting one on the back of (Truly) one of the most impressive plays I've ever seen from Franswa. He died near the door at Eashen (NToV) Vulak was being pulled, and mid pull Dagarn popped and join the train. Vulak was dropped in west by I THINK AG? Who got the initial FTE? Anywho, Franswa dies, zones back in, runs through north door, loots his corpse at Eashen door (I think he only looted his idol, he was naked) Runs BACK to West, FTE'S VULAK + DAGARN, runs the train BACK north, core gets vulak tagged out, and he proceeded to run the whole entire train into the lava and gets core Vulak. It was sick.


I stated my opinion on rooted dragons the day it quaked when it was implemented, that it was a lot of fun but will probably burn people out and might not be the best thing for the scene in the long run. A few months later, I don't think p99 Red has killed a single dragon in NToV.. and p99 blue looks like it will end up being a one guild mega zerg this time next year.


Everyone wants to talk about AM dying right now... yet we have had 10+ applicants this week. We are home to some of the smartest/best players that ever played, and I have no doubt that we will reclaim our throne on the top. We talk shit in RnF, but we also give credit where it's due, and it's pretty much all in good fun. But nobody is bringing up how Rooted dragons essentially forced Core, a guild that was so determined to be one that it stayed together through a 8 year raid ban.. and Paradigm Shift, who had been a pretty good guild, mostly in the 2-4 position to merge almost immediately. A LOT of Officers/Raiders quit in the wake of rooted dragons.
Azure Guard has essentially died as a raiding guild. Most of their best/High% raiders have went to Riot/Am.
Kittens joined in the first couple weeks (Come back! Mew) but haven't seen them since.

At least before, your guild had a chance to kill a mob if you had 10 people who were very active, and 20-30 other people who will log in to a bat phone. Regardless of what guild.

With green coming out, I can't see a lot of people wanting to grind NToV for hours per encounter. It's too OP as it is now. Rooted Dragons, with high agro radius, with insta summon on FTE is a little toooooo much in my opinion. As such you don't see p99 Red raiding at all, and you can't be competitive on some dragons (as of right now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ) without 100+ people. Which is insane.


My suggestions are:
1. Undo rooted dragons completely (My favorite answer... give it another chance!)
2. Unroot the dragons, but make it so they can't leave north
3. Leave it as is, but bring back FTE races w/ 1 hour lockout.



I wrote this long ass post going back and forth between tabs and doing other shit, and i'm not going to re read it. So if anything sounds retarded, just know, that I AM in fact retarded.

Also that p99 is my favorite game of all time, and I deeply appreciate the work the staff does.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At least before, your guild had a chance to kill a mob if you had 10 people who were very active, and 20-30 other people who will log in to a bat phone. Regardless of what guild.

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[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At least before, your guild had a chance to kill a mob if you had 10 people who were very active, and 20-30 other people who will log in to a bat phone. Regardless of what guild.

Maybe you got the mob, but it really wasn't fun for me. Sitting around for hours to log in for 5-10 minutes for the dragon kill... just wasn't fun to me. Here, the content is challenging even with huge numbers, and it is just as competitive for most of the mobs. The weekly CHARGE into Dagarn lair and decision making process behind pulling the trigger for an FTE is cool.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe you got the mob, but it really wasn't fun for me. Sitting around for hours to log in for 5-10 minutes for the dragon kill... just wasn't fun to me. Here, the content is challenging even with huge numbers, and it is just as competitive for most of the mobs. The weekly CHARGE into Dagarn lair and decision making process behind pulling the trigger for an FTE is cool.

I agree with Baylan. I'd rather spend 2 hours playing everquest then log in for 5 minutes at a time to turn on autoattack and then log off, regardless of who gets the loot. I don't play Everquest to NOT play Everquest.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with Baylan. I'd rather spend 2 hours playing everquest then log in for 5 minutes at a time to turn on autoattack and then log off, regardless of who gets the loot. I don't play Everquest to NOT play Everquest.

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[Convict]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with Baylan. I'd rather spend 2 hours playing everquest then log in for 5 minutes at a time to turn on autoattack and then log off, regardless of who gets the loot. I don't play Everquest to NOT play Everquest.

I'd like to think most people do agree as well. At least from what I've seen most people have welcomed the new change save a few even if it hasn't necessarily translated to more kills but it's been more fun trying especially for the small group of hardcore players that used to do all the socking and tracking for each spawn and usually get nothing for it except DKP they cant ever spend. At least now if people spend 3 hours clearing to Koi and not even getting it they had fun raiding together instead of the same small handful of people wasting their time every cycle.

It's a different case for most of the people I've seen posting from aftermath who have pretty much complained about the new rooted dragons since the change and the reason is because even though the new meta is more fun and challenging for more people involved, the old meta was working better for them and their preferred play style, which was loot conveyor and bragging rights (and denying pixels to other guilds).
The new meta also severely restricts ability to monopolize 90+% of the content. That just isn't working out for the warmbodies that joined AM to only log in and play 5 hours a week and still get pixels without having to do much actual work because they already had a dedicated core of hardcore sockers, FTE'ers and pullers. Basically its 10x more work for 1/2 as many pixels as they are used to getting.

This may sound like ragging on AM, which I do a lot, but in this case I can't even really fault them for it because it probably would happen to any guild in their position.

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the top? Core who was raid banned for their entire existence? Awakened who was raid banned into oblivion? There's never been a competitor who held equal/superior ground and people are finally deciding it's time to move with the new raid meta benefiting greater numbers and 24/7 capability.

Yes theres AG at one point was getting numbers and was a huge threat in sleepers and other tov stuff maybe do a bit of research bro