New to EverQuest, but not Tanking, so....

[port9001]

100% agree with the above about not needing to be a twink to be a Warrior. This requirement of Warrior requiring proc weapons to hold aggro is far more about other people (read: groupmates) being lazy than the Warrior actually needing these tools.

[Halfcell]

Originally Posted by port9001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

100% agree with the above about not needing to be a twink to be a Warrior. This requirement of Warrior requiring proc weapons to hold aggro is far more about other people (read: groupmates) being lazy than the Warrior actually needing these tools.

You dont *need* great gear to roll a warrior, but it is a lot more fun to play a bare bones SK than it is a bare bones warrior. You struggle much less, and you dont wind up with the geared out monk or level 20 rogue with his epic tanking the mob all day because you can't hold threat.

We can debate whether or not it's fun to play an undergeared warrior for a veteran player, but for someone new to EQ it's just not the way to hook this poor bastard in for the next few years. You gotta push the easy stuff first man.

[port9001]

Originally Posted by Halfcell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You dont *need* great gear to roll a warrior, but it is a lot more fun to play a bare bones SK than it is a bare bones warrior. You struggle much less, and you dont wind up with the geared out monk or level 20 rogue with his epic tanking the mob all day because you can't hold threat.

We can debate whether or not it's fun to play an undergeared warrior for a veteran player, but for someone new to EQ it's just not the way to hook this poor bastard in for the next few years. You gotta push the easy stuff first man.

Maybe? I find it pretty fun to start out fresh and each item you get along the way feels like a huge upgrade. You feel that with an untwinked Warrior more than any other class I think.

There's a whole guild of people on this server who play untwinked on purpose and have a lot of fun doing it. Fun, it turns out, is a very individual thing.

[Halfcell]

Originally Posted by port9001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe? I find it pretty fun to start out fresh and each item you get along the way feels like a huge upgrade. You feel that with an untwinked Warrior more than any other class I think.

There's a whole guild of people on this server who play untwinked on purpose and have a lot of fun doing it. Fun, it turns out, is a very individual thing.

As I said, it can be a lot of fun for a seasoned EQ player to roll a tough class and play it ungeared. But for an inexperienced person rolling a naked warrior is going to be a much harsher experience than necessary. Especially coming from WoW.

It's like taking someone who has never played Dark Souls before and telling them "hey man, it's a lot of fun to run this game backwards, using only the weapon you start with, and trying to never get hit." It is fun, but it's going to blow as your first experience. Let a guy get used to the new game first.

[Arcticflava]

Originally Posted by Halfcell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said, it can be a lot of fun for a seasoned EQ player to roll a tough class and play it ungeared. But for an inexperienced person rolling a naked warrior is going to be a much harsher experience than necessary. Especially coming from WoW.

It's like taking someone who has never played Dark Souls before and telling them "hey man, it's a lot of fun to run this game backwards, using only the weapon you start with, and trying to never get hit." It is fun, but it's going to blow as your first experience. Let a guy get used to the new game first.

That is a dumpster fire of an analogy. Playing a class as intended is nothing like playing another game not as intended. Logical fallacies detract from discussion, they do not add to it. Do better.

You continually try to state a subjective opinion as fact, and on top of that, you are stating it as an open and blanketed opinion held by many unnamed people. You are only in a position to state your own subjective opinion.

[Halfcell]

Originally Posted by Arcticflava [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You continually try to state a subjective opinion as fact, and on top of that, you are stating it as an open and blanketed opinion held by many unnamed people. You are only in a position to state your own subjective opinion.

Correct. I am advocating for the validity of my opinion. Please, name for me any objective or verified source of information that could conclusively tell this OP what class he should play.

Seriously, like what "facts" are there to even cite? The entire experience of playing a game is subjective.

Also, my analogy was fine. I am guessing you have never played Dark Souls. Not really the point. My point is that I strongly recommend that this new player not roll a naked warrior with absolutely zero experience in EQ. Especially on this server, since it's player base can be a bit hard on people who don't have a ton of EQ knowledge.

If I wanted to prove the fact that people on this server are often assholes for absolutely no discernable reason I could just link your post I suppose.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Halfcell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said, it can be a lot of fun for a seasoned EQ player to roll a tough class and play it ungeared. But for an inexperienced person rolling a naked warrior is going to be a much harsher experience than necessary. Especially coming from WoW.

It's like taking someone who has never played Dark Souls before and telling them "hey man, it's a lot of fun to run this game backwards, using only the weapon you start with, and trying to never get hit." It is fun, but it's going to blow as your first experience. Let a guy get used to the new game first.

Honestly, my first toon here was a troll SK, I was using EC to get the best gear I could and the experience sucked for me. Everything that dropped sucked compared to what I was wearing. It was like I was putting in lots of time and was only getting useless rewards and my success in raising my level was achieved by whoever had farmed the gear I bought not me.

In the end I got to the mid 20s and decided enough was enough. I rerolled to a halfling warrior using only equipment I had looted or quested to get to 60. I took great enjoyment travelling Norrath, visiting out of the way zones to fun items that were meaningful to me.

Obviously this is my own story, but to suggest playing through the game in an unintended way (twinked melee) is the proper route for all players is obviously not always right. Indeed playing through the game 'properly' first really helps you appreciate how much twinkling helps. Even if it diminishes the struggle, the overcoming of which is the source of enjoyment from the game.

Maybe I'm just a masochist.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I'm just a masochist.

Anyone playing EQ is a masochist on some level.

[Benanov]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, my first toon here was a troll SK

Trolls have a huge XP penalty. Halflings have a bonus.

I submit that it wasn't the class that was killing your fun, it was your race.

[Xulia]

Originally Posted by port9001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

100% agree with the above about not needing to be a twink to be a Warrior. This requirement of Warrior requiring proc weapons to hold aggro is far more about other people (read: groupmates) being lazy than the Warrior actually needing these tools.

I can see this being somewhat acceptable up until SHM/ENC begin using Slow. You will 100% lose aggro to a Slow spell and your ENC/SHM will die if you follow this strategy. You cannot Taunt aggro off fast enough to save them, either. If you want to follow this strategy and forego getting a proc weapon, group with another class that can rip aggro with certainty - Like a SHD - and then the WAR can rip off of them. But in that position you're better off being a DPS and letting the SHD tank.

Don't listen to detractors - you can tank all non-raid content as a Knight. In a standard 6 person group a SHD or PAL is an acceptable tank and can often hold aggro better than a WAR. I think SHD regen mana enough to be able to cast Disease Cloud even when they're running on fumes.

Unless you want to be the Main Assist for Raid level bosses a WAR is going to be a big investment in time and money. If that's your choice, god speed you sir. Find me in game and I'll hook you up with some banded armor to get you started.