How the Lanys T'Vyl server handled events on Live

[loramin]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm neither ranting nor flaming here Loramin, but for someone who doesn't raid you're very vocal about how raiding should be done.

There is a difference between "I enjoy raiding content." versus "I enjoying raiding content by beating other players to it." This server caters to players who prefer the latter - see the comments by Rogean and nilbog.

If this server is a million times worse for you because of that focus, why not go to a server that mandated rotations or offered instances, instead of trying to change this server into something it has never been?

Someone's defensive about their poop socking!

Look, two things. First off, Rogean and Nilbog have never said they're "100% team competition". Rogean is pretty big on "competition" yes, but Nilbog was talking about implementing instances for Pete's sake: that's like the polar opposite of competition (and Rogean did not explicitly shoot the idea down either).

Second, none of that matters. I'm allowed to have an opinion that's not the same as either Rogean or Nilbog. And that opinion definitely is that of someone who raids.

I love that Anonymous/AEGIS has predictable/scheduled raids. I love knowing that certain things are happening on certain nights so that I can tell the wife "I'll be killing dragons on Friday so you have to get dinner". To me that's the best of all worlds: getting to raid, with lots of other lovers of classic EverQuest, content I never got to twenty years ago ... but not having to sacrifice my real life to a video game just to be able to play it.

And this isn't some crazy un-classic modern desire: as the OP showed it was happening for people back in 2001 on some servers (it happened to a lesser extent on my server, Bristlebane, where I once "won" the rotation for Vox and got to lead an open raid on her, which was one of the high points of my entire time playing on live).

You're welcome to your opinion, but the fact that you feel the need to attack me for mine (outside of RnF no less) says far more about you than it does about me.

[rezzie]

My comment was not intended as an attack, and I didn't say you were not entitled to an opinion.

There are people that want to experience classic content, and there are people that want to experience classic content in a "competitive" environment against other players and guilds. This server caters to the latter.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My comment was not intended as an attack, and I didn't say you were not entitled to an opinion.

There are people that want to experience classic content, and there are people that want to experience classic content in a "competitive" environment against other players and guilds. This server caters to the latter.

It caters to both, in varying degrees. You're myopic if you can't see that.

[rezzie]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It caters to both, in varying degrees.

I'm in complete agreement.

Most people take the route of joining the server, joining a causal XP guild, getting their toes wet in some low-tier raiding, and then either stay there and keep things casual, or they catch the itch and join a raiding guild.

Edit: So my original comment was really aimed at the people that want to remain in a casual guild, want the convenience of scheduled raids, and want the comfort of knowing they won't spend hours clearing trash only to be leapfrogged by another guild. That just isn't the case on this server.

[bigjeff100]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone's defensive about their poop socking!

Look, two things. First off, Rogean and Nilbog have never said they're "100% team competition". Rogean is pretty big on "competition" yes, but Nilbog was talking about implementing instances for Pete's sake: that's like the polar opposite of competition (and Rogean did not explicitly shoot the idea down).

Second, none of that matters. I'm allowed to have an opinion that's not the same as either Rogean or Nilbog. And that opinion definitely is that of someone who raids.

I love that Anonymous/AEGIS has predictable/scheduled raids. I love knowing that certain things are happening on certain nights so that I can tell the wife "I'll be killing dragons on Friday so you have to get dinner". To me that's the best of all worlds: getting to raid, with lots of other lovers of classic EverQuest, content I never got to twenty years ago ... but not having to sacrifice my real life to a video game just to be able to play it.

And this isn't some crazy modern desire; as the OP showed it was happening for people back in 2001 on some servers (it happened to a lesser extent on my server, Bristlebane, where I once "won" the rotation for Vox and got to lead an open raid on her).

You're welcome to your opinion, but the fact that you need to attack me for mine (outside of RnF no less) says far more about you than it does about me.

Man i always seem to agree with you.. And this situation is no different.. Well said Loramin.

[Moerne]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And this isn't some crazy un-classic modern desire: as the OP showed it was happening for people back in 2001 on some servers (it happened to a lesser extent on my server, Bristlebane, where I once "won" the rotation for Vox and got to lead an open raid on her, which was one of the high points of my entire time playing on live).

Go back and look at that calendar again. I've posted it twice on these forums in the past because it was ONLY for reserving casual raid mobs. This calendar is from 2001. Note what's missing. ToV. Tunare. Sleeper's. Statue/AOW. VP. Lanys NEVER rotated or reserved the mobs that our "Uber guilds" were taking on. This calendar is not supportive of your argument that rotations were happening on some some servers. If you think PoH and PoF trash should be scheduled raids, then by all means. But top-end mobs were never a part of that.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off, Rogean and Nilbog have never said they're "100% team competition". Rogean is pretty big on "competition" yes, but Nilbog was talking about implementing instances for Pete's sake: that's like the polar opposite of competition (and Rogean did not explicitly shoot the idea down either).

So, I owe GM Nilbog a sincere apology here. When I wrote that he had been "talking about implementing instances" I was referring to the conversation in Braknar's logs a few months back.

I recently reviewed that conversation and realized I had misunderstood what Nilbog said in it. While he did talk about instances as a solution other devs had used, and he did talk about specifically implementing a non-classic solution for ToV, in hindsight it's clear that he was referring to something like rooted dragons, not instances.

Talking about someone's private conversations that have been exposed without their permission is already a bit sketchy, but misinterpreting them to claim someone said something they didn't is even worse, so I truly apologize for misremembering/misunderstanding that conversation and falsely claiming that Nilbog considered instances as an option (when again, if you re-read the conversation, the instance stuff was coming more from Sirken and Nilbog never explicitly said it was an option).

Apologies GM Nilbog!

I still stand by my viewpoint, and I'll hold it regardless of whether Rogean and Nilbog agree with me ... but I never meant to misrepresent Nilbog in any way, and certainly not to paint him as being for instances when he never was.

[Dolalin]

The Lanys calendar was used to coordinate planes raids and minor bosses like Naggy and Vox. It was not used for big targets -- partly because guilds like Conquest rarely respected it. But most other guilds did.

A calendar system for P99 would in my mind be for these purposes: fostering more open raids and helping mid-tier guilds coordinate so they aren't stepping on each other's toes.

Kael Arena, WTOV/NTOV farming, +6 dragons, PoH/PoF/PoG armor farms, Sky, and maybe even Naggy and Vox open raids would be great things to see on there and would foster a more community feel for the server.

[Muggens]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A calendar system for P99 would in my mind be for these purposes: fostering more open raids and helping mid-tier guilds coordinate so they aren't stepping on each other's toes.

Kael Arena, WTOV/NTOV farming, +6 dragons, PoH/PoF/PoG armor farms, Sky, and maybe even Naggy and Vox open raids would be great things to see on there and would foster a more community feel for the server.

Bring on the Casual Calendar

[Neno]

Why not both? With Green coming out either it or blue could switch to a calendar system while the other is the competitive server. It would also be interesting if when Green launched a 2nd server was also opened. Keep blue as it is and have 1 new server be competitive and 1 new server be calendar based.