Raid rules regarding trackers

[aaezil]

People bait/troll in server chat all the time and dont catch bans. Where do you think you are - daybreak forums?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by ReadOnly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just can't agree with this. You and I are posting in this thread right now. It's taking us, what, 30-60 seconds to post? How long do you think it takes to look at a post, see if it contains someone saying "durr fuck your guild" or whatever, and click Ban or Suspend User? It would take less time than it takes to write up a single reply that we are doing right now. And when that happens, lets say, 3-5 times, and people start to realize "oh wow they are banning people for trolling" then the trolling stops. It's that simple. Literally 30 seconds a day would fix a lot of this.

I just can't buy into this "lack of free resources" thing. How is it that the players can have infinite free time while the staff is always tied up elsewhere? How long are we going to accept the "staff is busy" argument as a legitimate reason for putting up with trolling, almost no clear rules, the constant breaking of the few actual clear rules?

Hell, I came here asking for clarification about a specific rule and got 4 replies, the first 2 people actually gave their opinion, the 3rd person (you) ignored the question, and the 4th gave a troll response of allowing porn on the forum.

I expect trolling in RNF, but elsewhere (or more specifically, in a Raid Discussion forum or thread) it should be bannable.

Again, all that is unrelated to my original query. Which was about how Trackers are considered. Going by the "rule" I'd say zoning out and back in clears the "Tracker" status. Otherwise, the rules would favor people with "tracker bots" over people who track using their actual playable character, which would be ridiculous.

You're entirely focused on what you want, and how you want things to be. I'm just trying to give you a dose of reality ... but if you don't want it then keep going off on how easy it is to run this server/forum.

But personally I suspect the staff will give a rules clarification when, and only when, they feel like it, not because someone in the forum asked for one. And I say that because you are far from the first person to come here expecting a rules clarification (and historically they don't often get answered).

[ReadOnly]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

keep going off on how easy it is to run this server/forum.

I said nothing of the sort. I've seen you rail against people in other threads about putting words in your mouth, try not to do the same to others.

[ReadOnly]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you are far from the first person to come here expecting a rules clarification (and historically they don't often get answered).

What's your point? Since that's how it is that's how it should always be? Sorry for trying to make this better for everyone.

[loramin]

My point is, the staff is busy with many things. Not just rules issues, and certainly not any given player's pet rules issue. Lately they've barely made any appearances, for any reason, at all in these forums. But of course they do care about rules on this server, and will address issues when they feel it appropriate to do so.

So be patient and wait. Or post a ton ... but just be realistic in your expectations. And that means not expecting staff to drop everything and answer any given player's pet rules question because said player expects an answer then, because things just don't usually work like that here.

Oh and for:

Originally Posted by ReadOnly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said nothing of the sort. I've seen you rail against people in other threads about putting words in your mouth, try not to do the same to others.

I'm not putting words into your mouth:

Originally Posted by ReadOnly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just can't agree with this. You and I are posting in this thread right now. It's taking us, what, 30-60 seconds to post? How long do you think it takes to look at a post, see if it contains someone saying "durr fuck your guild" or whatever, and click Ban or Suspend User? It would take less time than it takes to write up a single reply that we are doing right now. And when that happens, lets say, 3-5 times, and people start to realize "oh wow they are banning people for trolling" then the trolling stops. It's that simple. Literally 30 seconds a day would fix a lot of this.

I just can't buy into this "lack of free resources" thing. How is it that the players can have infinite free time while the staff is always tied up elsewhere? How long are we going to accept the "staff is busy" argument as a legitimate reason for putting up with trolling, almost no clear rules, the constant breaking of the few actual clear rules?

I will say one thing I agree with in that though: the staff does have limited time, and the players have a lot more. If the staff can find clever ways to offload work onto the players, I think it could lead to improvements here for everyone.

[ReadOnly]

You are. I said it's easy to ban people, not your hyperbolic extrapolated "easy to run the server/forum."

[loramin]

Maybe I shouldn't have thrown in "server/". /shrug. I was lumping it all together because "staff work" is spread between those two things.

But the point remains that you're only thinking from things from your side: how easy everything seems to you, and why it should therefore be easy to get the answer you want right now.

It's a lot harder to moderate a forum (and run a server) than you're admitting, and your failure to see that is part of why you keep missing the key fact: the staff act on their own timetable, not when any given player wants something. Their operating that way has enabled them to run this server successfully for ten years. They're very good at what they're doing and how they do it, and pot shots from the peanut gallery about how easy it would be to make one player happier by doing something different aren't likely to change that operating pattern.

But look, if you're unhappy about that fact, feel free to attack me as a proxy. Won't do any good, but you might feel better.

[ReadOnly]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But the point remains that you're only thinking from things from your side: how easy everything seems to you, and why it should therefore be easy to get the answer you want right now.

It take 30-60 seconds to read a post and write a quick answer. That is easy. That is not debatable.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a lot harder to moderate a forum (and run a server) than you're admitting, and your failure to see that

I've never claimed it was easy to moderate a forum or run a server, therefore I've failed at nothing. You, on the other hand, are failing to read and are impressing your own claims upon me. This is not the first time I've seen you do this. It's not even the first time I've seen you do that IN THIS THREAD.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the staff act on their own timetable, not when any given player wants something.

Again, what's your point? Of course they do what they want. I never demanded anyone do anything. Suggestions/questions do not remotely equal demands.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

enabled them to run this server successfully

Run the server? Certainly. Successfully? Judging from a lot of the complaints on this forum (yours included), debatable. Again, uptime does not equate to success.

[Bardp1999]

The staff read this forum all day everyday. Anytime BigJ has a melt down and starts posting dick pics he is almost immediately banned. Big brother is watching, do not fool yourself - however not everyone is a thin skinned wiener boy like you ReadOnly

[ReadOnly]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The staff read this forum all day everyday. Anytime BigJ has a melt down and starts posting dick pics he is almost immediately banned. Big brother is watching, do not fool yourself - however not everyone is a thin skinned wiener boy like you ReadOnly

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