You guys just couldn’t grow up and play nice, could you?

[ajohnymous]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're confused. Blaming participants is, in my opinion, pointless.

People are just going to do what the system around them encourages them to do. Our current system encourages people to push the limits, because they get more dragons/loot that way, so they do. It's pointless to blame those individuals in that system for doing what the system (essentially) makes them do.

More to the point, you could completely replace every last person in that system with complete new people, and in a short time they'll start behaving the same way (and the staff would once again be flooded with petitions), because the system makes them behave that way

Now of course I get in arguments with defenders of the current system all the time, so I'm not saying advocates for the current system are blameless. I'm just saying that blaming the participants in the current system is pointless.

This is the key thing I don't think Rogean understands: the "competition" (in it's current, extremely narrow definition) is the problem. Any system based on that current definition is going to have people acting like assholes to each other: it's inherent in the design of the system.

The only way to get people to stop acting like assholes is to change the system (more dramatically than just rooting dragons).

I’m not confused, I think we’re just not in agreement. Overhauling the system would “fix” the current issues because they would just disappear. The new system would have its own set of pros and cons. R and N want the current competitive system, but want players to work out disputes between themselves. We’ve been trying to do that now, but there’s people in AM are too shortsighted to see they get more loot by maintaining a stable, long term setting in ToV. Instead they bend and break rules and are unreasonable when confronted.