Drusella Player Agreement? - Page 12

Synthlol · #**111** 03-09-2019, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Derubael

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

These are stickied server rules (Getting Started Guide & Server Rules), emphasis mine. They make it clear that Drusella can be claimed as camped by actively clearing the room, no matter if you are in the actual room or in the safer hallway. If you show up to DS and a group is camped in the hallway clearing the DS room mobs, you cannot simply sit on the spawn point and contest it. You must inform them you also want to camp DS, and at that point they will need to move into the room for their claim to continue to be valid. If you show up to DS and try and contest it with a group actually inside DS's room clearing it, you're a fucking degen.

aaezil · #**112** 03-09-2019, 01:51 PM

Copy paste the server rules would be just dandy except for the dozen + “exceptions” to those rules

Legidias · #**113** 03-09-2019, 02:37 PM

Line 16 of paragraph 3 on page 28 of the Play Nice Policy (Rv. 4, 2018) sub clause 37.101c under "Camp disputes and other things you kill brain cells on" states that...

beargryllz · #**114** 03-09-2019, 11:39 PM

Enable pvp in HS

Only the strong survive

Everyone else dies

Triangle · #**115** 03-10-2019, 11:34 PM

Waiting for my fraps to compress and upload, but I have submitted petitions in game and in the forums due to Blood Guard's conduct at this camp tonight.

As some people will know, Blood Guard has been at DS camp for 3-days non-stop. Unfortunately for them, they wiped due to their own pull this evening. Their entire group died except for a monk and necro who were FD. Now, first point of contention: having your group die except those who are able to FD should be considered a wipe. However, they claimed the mere fact that they had people FD and not dead means they didn't wipe.

In any case, my group begin clearing before they logged in their cleric to begin rezzing others. BG began to rez and, as soon as they had some people alive, they trained themselves AGAIN (as well as us). This second train wiped them yet again. Second point of contention: the fact that they trained us when we were clearly pulling camp should mean they forfeited camp.

Next, we recovered from the train prior to them and set up shop right on top of DS - clearing mobs in DS's room before BG arrived in the room and before they recovered fully. That is of course the third point of contention: following their second wipe from their own train, we recovered prior to them for a second time and established camp yet again by moving right on DS spawn point and clearing mobs prior to her pop.

I explained to them that they wiped, lost camp, and it was now ours. DS spawned and my group engaged her. BG immediately began to out dps us and did so. No clue if she dropped Urn, but they looted everything off her corpse. Tried to make this as short as possible and will link fraps when it is uploaded.

DMN · #**116** 03-10-2019, 11:47 PM

I think they should have lost rights to the camp if they were not keeping the spawns cleared. FD after a wipe or not, it doesn't matter if you aren't keeping up with the spawns.

Wonkie · #**117** 03-11-2019, 12:00 AM

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Waiting for my fraps to compress and upload, but I have submitted petitions in game and in the forums due to Blood Guard's conduct at this camp tonight.

As some people will know, Blood Guard has been at DS camp for 3-days non-stop. Unfortunately for them, they wiped due to their own pull this evening. Their entire group died except for a monk and necro who were FD. Now, first point of contention: having your group die except those who are able to FD should be considered a wipe. However, they claimed the mere fact that they had people FD and not dead means they didn't wipe.

In any case, my group begin clearing before they logged in their cleric to begin rezzing others. BG began to rez and, as soon as they had some people alive, they trained themselves AGAIN (as well as us). This second train wiped them yet again. Second point of contention: the fact that they trained us when we were clearly pulling camp should mean they forfeited camp.

Next, we recovered from the train prior to them and set up shop right on top of DS - clearing mobs in DS's room before BG arrived in the room and before they recovered fully. That is of course the third point of contention: following their second wipe from their own train, we recovered prior to them for a second time and established camp yet again by moving right on DS spawn point and clearing mobs prior to her pop.

I explained to them that they wiped, lost camp, and it was now ours. DS spawned and my group engaged her. BG immediately began to out dps us and did so. No clue if she dropped Urn, but they looted everything off her corpse. Tried to make this as short as possible and will link fraps when it is uploaded.

thanks. i logged on tonight and am now logging off.

stay classic p99.

aaezil · #**118** 03-11-2019, 12:01 AM

Yeah if it repopped before they were rezzed/killing again then they def lost claim to the camp.

Triangle · #**119** 03-11-2019, 12:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi87nSSy8-s&

Fraps is found at that link, sorry about the quality but it was a 12gb file and I guess I shrunk it too much. It is also only of the fight and just prior, unfortunately I did not put up fraps earlier to record their wipe, but the GM logs should evidence that it occurred.

For what its worth, this thread appears to be created by a BG member (their GL? not sure).

And finally, it is notable that BG got the camp from Kelzaraz after HE WIPED AND SUBSEQUENTLY TRAINED THEM WHEN THEY TRIED TO TAKE IT AFTER HE WIPED. They petitioned him and AM officers seem to have forced him out of camp after that. This is the exact same situation that happened tonight (except they took on the role of wipe/trainer this time). However, it seems BG does not want the same standard to apply to them

Hibbs · #**120** 03-11-2019, 01:04 AM

Well there seems to be a lot of plot holes in this story, but you can see Rover (your group member) punch DS first. Its a hot camp right now and I can see how things can get heated but after you guys engaged it I feel like it was wrong of them to out DPS you for the kill and take it.

If they felt like it was their camp then they should have called you on stealing their camp / Mobs and petitioned on you. Not take it into their own hands and secure the kill by KS'ing it.

Get some fresh air.