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Spirit Wracked Cords - Dropping?
My understanding through semi-reliable secondhand knowledge is that these are dropping off of Grand Lorekeeper Kino Shai`din. I assume this is unintentional like the Beastlord arms? In case it isn't unintentional -
I can't find any posts that anyone saw these drop until post-Luclin. Even in late 2002 people were acting as if it was a new development or possibly a bug. If they do drop they should at the least be insanely rare, possibly one of the rarest drops in the game. People are talking about camping him for weeks to get the Vocal Cords without ever seeing the Spirit Wracked Cords. The wayback capture of how.to/chardok, which was considered the definitive in-era guide, makes no mention of a drop. Even though the capture is from 2003 and it has the updated reference to Angry Goblin spawning in FM and a last updated date of 2003, the guide was originally written in 2001 and is referenced by in-era posts. https://web.archive.org/web/20030124...to:80/chardok/ His eqbeastiary page from June 2002 only shows him dropping the Cloak and the Vocal Cords https://web.archive.org/web/20020703....shtml?id=8458 No mentions on Zam comments of it dropping prior to 2002 and even after that the mentions are mostly spread out by years. This October 2002 post, and a similar post the same guy made on the Zam Spirit Wracked Cord page, is the earliest reference I can find to them dropping. Quote:
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http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=8458 A Concert Hall thread about farming the Vocal Cords, which were apparently extremely rare in their own right - Quote:
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Here's an incomplete loot table from January 2002 that only has him dropping the Cloak http://www.oocities.org/stoikeci/Cha...dokLootNew.htm I can never get Magelo wayback to work, but Spirit Wracked Cord wasn't added to the Magelo database until 12 days after Luclin https://eq.magelo.com/item/5723 The only thing I've seen that mentions them dropping in 2001 is a guy in the Safe House thread claiming they dropped for him on day 1 of the Chardok patch, and he claims in the 2 years since he never heard of them dropping again. Quote:
Anecdotally, if these were dropping on Live as soon as Chardok was patched it seems like someone would've mentioned it in the 12 months between October 2001 and October 2002. Hopefully I didn't look over something obvious didn't want to spend much time looking into this since I assume it's unintentional. | ||||||||||||
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Didn't see the thread in server chat before my post, but apparently it is dropping on P99 per our forums.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...315055&page=17 | ||
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1) The chardok update was a novelty patch that few people really cared for on Live, especially early on with the Luclin update looming.
2) Allakazam was (and is?) a cesspool for cluless players; the notion of the typical site visitor sitting down to camp the Library between October '01 and December '01 is laughable. Even moreso for any length of time required to statistically get the drop. Personally, I was one of the only people killing Loremaster on my server and never saw the cord. Does this mean it's doesn't belong on the table? Of course not; that camp was a pain in the ass to hold down back then, especially without gimmicky faction/charm antics. Just because it's rare doesn't mean it's not classic. Quote:
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The same logic that applies to why holding the library is easier now applies to the entire quest. People weren't double invising and lev tricking off the pillar to get to Drusella's room 2 minutes after zoning in and then soloing her, it would have been a multi-hour clear of South and the front of East to even get a chance at a rare drop from a 24 hour respawn. Then farming another rare drop from Juggs. That's only after killing thousands of mobs to even be able to start the quest.
As it is this looks to be based on post-Luclin loot tables the same as Hammered Golden Loop, the Pearly Sarnak Bauble, the beastlord arms, the "No Pet" tagged proc weapon and whatever else is not classic and is or was dropping. A lot of Chardok loot was changed after Luclin. | ||
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Lol @ the notion that no one explored Chardok cause Luclin was 2 months off. I mean, really? Total joke, guess they stopped killing royals because click sticks were becoming obsolete with Luclin around the corner.
Some people will say anything to keep non classic pixels.
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IMO, this seems like an easy case of argument from ignorance (or rather the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence). I've got longer explanations on using item IDs in the past explaining why its not 100%. The TLDR is that for itemIDs that are likely wrong will have either deleted or out-of-era items next to them. In addition, an item being in the database doesn't mean it was actually dropping in game. In this case, the nearby item IDs (guard captain's mallet, nathsar bracer, finely woven mantle, cloak of imperception) all seem to suggest this going in with a bunch of other items known to exist in that time period. Consider that royals raids weren't exactly a daily thing, generally required 3+ groups, and the library w/ Lorekeeper had to be the absolute worst place to wait out 2-hour spawns. Extremely rare drop from a rare spawn in an area where very few folk ventured. Said rare drop still exists on live. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=12318 talks about them dropping in 2015. Your one quote about getting 3/41 (7%) spawns of Grand Lorekeeper. Assuming his figures are accurate and that magelos droprate (2/34 or 5.8%) are samples not far from the actual figures: you'd be looking at an individual pH chance having a 0.4% chance of dropping Spirit Wracked Cords. An average of ~1/250 spawns or 5000 minutes of camping (assuming the pHs are instantly dying). Scenarios 1) Spirit Wracked Cords have been in the game from Oct 11 2001 onward (or lets say March of 2015 based on the most recent allakhazam comment from live). 2) Spirit Wracked Cords were intentionally added (but undocumented via patch notes) sometime after Chardok 2.0 Revamp, but before the first reported instance of them dropping in October 2002. Scenario #1 seems a lot more likely to me. Frankly, I feel that Kino dropping the cords was probably a mistake that never got corrected.
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Kino's cloak was nerfed after the Chardok patch but before Luclin, if it was a mistake and they were on his loot table at that point seems like they would have noticed a random BIS item that required a lengthy quest on his loot table when they were nerfing it or at the least they would have noticed it a month later when they were altering loot across the entire zone. Imo the likely scenario is they were introduced as a quest. Once Luclin loot was introduced making them less desirable Verant introduced them as a drop as part of their effort to make the game easier. The same reason they made Hammered Golden Loop droppable and all the other things they changed in Chardok post-Luclin. | |||
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Idk the king is a few feet away and dropped a bis item in kunark, it's not that crazy to think the guys who designed chardok put another extremely rare bis item deep in it's depths. Holding kino down in era for something that rare would have been wildly difficult, certainly difficult enough to go unnoticed or unreported. Also all of your evidence points to the fact that they did drop, nothing shows that it was a later addition with a balance patch or that it didn't drop originally, that's all just ppl speculating which sounds like pretty poor classic questing.
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