Are you mortified about President Donald J. Trump?

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't have enforced borders, do you really have a country? If your house doesn't have walls that separate it from outside, is it a house?

For anyone who is against the border wall I have to ask the question. What do you think of Israel's border wall? We send them almost 40 billion per year and they find enough money to build a border wall.

We can't find 5 billion for ourselves? Our yearly budget is nearly 4 trillion. Our daily military spending is nearly 600 billion. Democrats want us to settle on 1 billion to fix up a fence because we can't find the money in the budget? Really? These people against the wall should be hung for treason.

Invisible lines are real and there’s penalties for illegally crossing those lines. I don’t think a barrier is the right option, even agreeing with you that immigrantion enforcement is a good idea. I’m just saying that in the current century, we have more technological options than they did when they were building the Great Wall of China. Why not sensor relays and autoturrets?

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by hobart [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It only feels good because you're too stupid to see how "owning libs" only benefits billionaires. And it does so at your expense.

The left wing as a whole is open borders. Only establishment right wing is open border. You know who open borders serves? Billionaires who exploit illegal foreign labor. That’s who you are supporting.

Want to know why our lower and middle class hasn’t seen a real wage increase when adjusted for inflation in roughly 30 years? Open border people enable a non stop flow of low class workers that drives down wages continuously. All the crime and shitting up our emergency rooms for us to pay for is just extra window dressing for us to enjoy.

Now explain to us how we are enabling billionaires when we fight against this and you support it.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't have enforced borders, do you really have a country? If your house doesn't have walls that separate it from outside, is it a house?

For anyone who is against the border wall I have to ask the question. What do you think of Israel's border wall? We send them almost 40 billion per year and they find enough money to build a border wall.

We can't find 5 billion for ourselves? Our yearly budget is nearly 4 trillion. Our daily military spending is nearly 600 billion. Democrats want us to settle on 1 billion to fix up a fence because we can't find the money in the budget? Really? These people against the wall should be hung for treason.

Israeli's border wall covers a tiny, densely populated stretch of land compared to the Southern US border, and is continually garrisoned along its length. Along the lengths that are actually walled and manned, it serves a different purpose (defense, psyops) than the US wall (customs and immigration enforcement).

Walls will not stop illegal immigration. They will go around. They will take a boat. They do nothing about illegals who are already here, and most drug smuggling occurs through ports of entry. Even if walls did considerably reduce it, it's not a cost effective solution. The real solution supported by people who actually know about this issue is cracking down on employment of illegals, which neither Republicans or Democrats will EVER do because employment of illegal immigrants is supported by corporate interests and this country's elite, as well as Donald Trump.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Invisible lines are real and there’s penalties for illegally crossing those lines. I don’t think a barrier is the right option, even agreeing with you that immigrantion enforcement is a good idea. I’m just saying that in the current century, we have more technological options than they did when they were building the Great Wall of China. Why not sensor relays and autoturrets?

Do you have a house with walls? Do you have a car with doors? Do you ever lock it after parking? This isn’t a hard idea to grasp why it’s important to have a wall, that in the grand scheme of things, doesn’t cost much.

I would love auto turrets. Who would make an attempt to cross then? People hardly leave North Korea cause you’re fucked if you get caught. Unfortunately we’re stuck being a little more humanitarian.

[Cecily]

Now we’re getting into the Tao Te Ching! Is it not the empty space in a house that makes it useful?

[Cecily]

Of course you’d love autoturrets because your side doesn’t see immigrants as people.

[Lune]

"Hmm, the peasants are angry about all the illegals who came in during Clinton and Bush Jr's terms, and they are all fired up for reform"

"We want to harness this fervor for votes but we don't actually want to do anything about this issue because cheap labor lines our pockets, and we don't have to live next to them. I know, instead of taking $100's of billions in losses in wage increases and US agriculture no longer being priced competitively, let's pledge $5 billion for a huge symbolic nothing that will make it look like we are addressing this issue, but in actuality, will do nothing."

[Wonkie]

trump has a weird skull

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course you’d love autoturrets because your side doesn’t see immigrants as people.

Illegal immigrants coming here is committing a crime against you. They are stealing from you, your family and your children. We only have so much resources in America and we have a lot of people struggling. We need to take care of our people first. Not people who want to steal from us. They aren’t coming and asking for help. They are coming in and stealing resources. Furthermore there are elites weaponizing these illegal immigrants. We need to fight back.

Every illegal that settles in America is a biological and economic time bomb that gets worse over time as they breed. Read up the average cost of an illegal in their life time. You want to get on my case for being upset about this?

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course you’d love autoturrets because your side doesn’t see immigrants as people.

turns out we're the barbarians at the gate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]