New ToV rules

[Kust]

you guys better kill ToV Dragons fast and not waste everyone else time.

[Viscere]

Originally Posted by FatBalloon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is an absolute abomination to the true spirit of EQ. I started playing a 20 year old game to experience, once again, a hardcore, dangerous single persistant world with rewarding gear and character progression. I have been weary trying to find this anywhere else and now what happens 2 months after I start playing a serious character on the server to experience the end game raid scene? Apparently, the ridiculous, whiny, instant gratification, lootboxing, pay to win, pay for cosmetics, can't compete, sissies that every other developer caters to have now invaded the only hardcore bastion left in gaming and convinced the moderators of the game to completely abandon the original principles of a single persistant world and turned the best raid zone ever created into essentially an instance where you can simply order your very own Vulak loot. Wipe 6 times in a row because you suck? I'm sorry, you do not deserve to have the warm graceful touch of Do'Vassir's Guantlets of Might upon your fingers. There are so many things wrong with this rotation it's literally insane. It is nothing but a total travesty and completely goes against everything EQ was meant to be.

What's next? You don't have to do CR's anymore?

abomination is the word.

Only trolls like this update

[kotton05]

I’m a troll and I love it only because aftermath is a super zerg. Legit hits me in the feels like the time when AM tried to leap frog Rustle at velks then wiped infront of us Lololol. I Love seeing them squirm.

[turbosilk]

Great fix to the game for people who have productive lives vs keeping a bat phone handy 24/7and standing around for hours (not classic, not fun).

People had countless chances to show they could get along competitively (play nice policy) without CS intervention. Obviously can't be done.

PS pulling everything to zone in not in the spirit of the game. Diminishes the spirit of the game and people don't get to dungeon crawl and actually see the game.

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by Kust [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you guys better kill ToV Dragons fast and not waste everyone else time.

Because they are all so ridiculously hard to kill with 60 people at the zone inn?

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great fix to the game for people who have productive lives vs keeping a bat phone handy 24/7and standing around for hours (not classic, not fun).

People had countless chances to show they could get along competitively (play nice policy) without CS intervention. Obviously can't be done.

PS pulling everything to zone in not in the spirit of the game. Diminishes the spirit of the game and people don't get to dungeon crawl and actually see the game.

Sorry your gear sucks bro

[zodium]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose that's possible. But ... are you actually suggesting that Class C/R/whatever failed because people weren't following the rotation? That's not my memory of how things went down.

Or that earthquakes "failed" (they wildly succeed, but were didn't solve the specific case of ToV for the staff) because people didn't buy into them?

I dunnno, I don't really see the argument there.

I'm suggesting they never had a chance, because people who aren't on board with rules they have to live under tend to spend their time devising ways to circumvent them rather than how to uphold them. In this respect, the new ruleset is only cosmetically different. Until the design of our rules starts from governing the large and diffuse amount of people who love to play EverQuest with their consent, people will continue to spend their time to behave according to their motivations: devising ways to play EverQuest.

You don't have to be a behavioral scientist to work out that trying to enforce a system of rules on an unwilling population with very limited resources is going to lead to a mountain of unforeseen consequences. The moment you get a critical mass of people to actually buy in to your ruleset, upholding them becomes orders of magnitudes easier. But obtaining that kind of buy-in requires a different approach to handing down stone tablets with rules from on high and complaining everyone's a smelly nerd when they don't behave as you expected. Until we implement a process for adjusting and enforcing the rules over time in a way that accommodates real players' different motivations, rather than silly caricatures, this will not meaningfully change. Full stop.

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[Twochain]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad I triggered you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Now go take your rnfs to rnf!

I know, I know, but everything you've said so far is something along the lines of GET FUCKED POOP SOCKERS. That's not really a positive contribution to the discussion. I'm interested in hearing from people because at the end of the day, we're all one community. I didn't think people wanted a ToV Guild rotation..

P.S, I completely understand why this was done. The timing is a little strange, but I wouldn't want to deal with a bunch of raging nerds about pixel dragons either. However I think we should have a chance to police ourselves. I know in the message it was said that the rules "Encourages rulebreaking" but unless all of our officers conspired to cheat the system in a secret officer only team speak, I FELT like we went above and beyond to be within the rules. /Shrug.

I'll always love p99, but this kills the raid scene, which I loved.

[zarza]

I love all the guilds that competed with us. Of course you are not.

I've never seen your competition.

They don't even try.

I don't understand why you say you've been in competition.

you just got free tov ticket while "HoT raid"

this new rule is the easiest way for you to do it without effort at p99.
I recommend asking you to make an instant dungeon.




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[FatBalloon]

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow! You really drank the cool-aid didn't you.

Original EQ is a singular persistent world. This is an instance, NOT true to the original game. Stop the instancing, it dilutes the product and the rewards that come with it.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait ... did you just ... with a straight face (I can't actually see your face but you seemed serious) ... actually compare bat phoning/poop-socking/the P99 Raid scene to ... the fucking Olympics? Human athletes at their absolute peak potential ... vs. some guy with no life staring at a wall so that he can tweet his buddies and they can all sit at a computer for ten minutes?

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People who stare at walls for multiple 16 hour windows and batphone for dragon kills at 3 am are not athletes, they are unemployed and should probably stop playing immediately.

Everyone should have a fair and equal shot at every target that spawns at every time. Can't get up at 3am for a Doze pop? Neither can I, so I don't do it. But I'm not going to hate on the guy who does. I'm not going troll people with insults such as "you have no life" and "you're an unemployed loser". Personally, I have 4 kids, a wife, a career, and a VERY busy life and quite honestly it sounds pretty fun to kill some Lord Koi at 2am sometimes. If that's what's important to me, maybe I'll schedule some time in life to do that. If that's what someone wants to do with their time? Why would I complain or hate on that? I've chosen my life, they've chosen theirs. Good for them for wanting to spend their time killing dragons and building up their characters in a deep, exciting and adventurous online world. Sometimes that sure sounds better than wiping diapers, cleaning up grape juice stains and dealing with bickering over who's toys are who's every night.

Quite honestly, we're all playing a 20 year old free-to-play emulated MMORPG. We're all losers to some extent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]