How do I report a named kill steal?

[bricke75]

Originally Posted by Toothed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if Bob needs to take a piss he does it in hadden lake and sends you a tell about it because he is a lizard tyranny with all the required bits to dot such a thing

You have a really strong fixation on me using the restroom. I'm creeped out. You've mentioned me in the restroom at least 5 times now. Stop being gross.

[bricke75]

By his own admittance, he logged off. He forfeited the camp.

It's pretty clear cut.

[bricke75]

Originally Posted by Zipity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using this logic I think a lot of People at STormfeather are about to be so mad when I FTE it bc they didn’t kill the previous PHer or gnomes under the tree!

Let the chaos begin.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't need camp rights to kill a mob, you just can't kill a mob to which another player has camp rights.

'First come first served' doesn't seem to be a legislated rule.

Ok, this seems to be the crux of it: you're not saying you need to kill a PH to take a camp, just that you need to kill a PH to prevent anyone else from taking that camp.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Edit: and thanks for entertaining my position in a courteous manner, Loramin. You truly are a gentleman.

I try (and often fail) to be civil, but it's easier to be respectful when dealing with esteemed posters such as yourself.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Loramin, why did you snip out the section on how a camp is considered 'held'?

I did, but to be fair I added ellipsis, the international symbol of "and I'm going to skip some stuff here".

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realise the part you removed affirms the very point I am arguing? It's not your camp until you kill a spawn?

It says 1) kill ph/room to hold camp
2) if someone wishes to contest camp you need to maintain a presence

2 is not triggered unless condition 1) already exists; a camp needs to be held to be contested and to be held you have to had cycled ph/room.

Not quite. It says "if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing". The key point is that it does not say "the only way a camp can be considered held is if you kill a PH", it just establishes that if you are holding down the camp you get to keep it.

I then quoted the parts I quoted because they support my argument [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In any case, if I'm up to speed now I think your position came off as being more extreme than what you're actually advocating. You're 100% in agreement with everyone else on everything (including whether stealing the camp is wrong or not), except that you're saying "look, if two people show up to unspawned spawn point there's nothing in the official rules saying that the guy who was there first gets it". I tried to make a case for why you're wrong, and I think I made a decent one, but as you noted it required a bit of cherry-picking and the rules certainly don't out and out say "first come first serve".

In practice, I think we'd all be a bit surprised if Bob (in my example) showed up hours ahead, waited patiently, and then got sniped, and the staff did nothing. Assuming Bob was respectful to the staff and (just for the sake of argument, I would never actually expect this) has fraps showing things, I would expect that the staff would come down on Fred.

But I have to admit that, like many things rules-related, it's not crystal clear, and my predictions of how the staff would handle it may be wrong. One more reason to make my wiki rules project next on my to do list ...

[Jimjam]

Not really Bricke I had already covered how you can legitimately hold a camp by acquiring it through a hand over. I anticipated the gotcha and it fell flat. I strongly advice against attempting to FTE a storm feather that someone acquired through a list hand off.

Incidentally the other two ways to hold a camp are by cycling PHers or killing neighbouring mobs. If you kill a mob that someone has already engaged, and you don't 'hold the camp' through the above means then you are liable to be petitioned as a kill stealer.

Just hope you didn't annoy the guy you KSed too much so it doesn't come to that.

Exit: thanks for your thoughts and clarifications Loramin, it seems we both understand each other's positions now and have argued them to the extent possible. Hopefully we'll get guidance on the Hadden wait issue, hopefully it won't go the way of Brother Jentry!

It would be great if the list hand off 'rule' could be edited into the main body of the rules too!

As you say, respectful behaviour seems to go a long way.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be great if the list hand off 'rule' could be edited into the main body of the rules too!

Here's my plan:

Step #0: Finish my other wiki projects (eg. the Buff Lines page)

Step #1: Go through all the many different rules pages that the staff has worked so hard on, and get them unified into a single rules page, without losing any rules in the process, which can replace all the others (ie. literally get us all on the same page).

Step #2: Go through all known camp rulings (ie. spend a lot of time searching posts from Llandris and others) and get them all down "on the same page" too.

Step #3: Once we can finally clearly see what we've got, then we can look at ways to improve it (and I think this would be an ideal time to loby the staff into codifying both hand-offs and a "first serve" rule)

Step #4: Profit!

But anyone else is welcome to skip to #3 and lobby the staff now; that's just my personal grand plan for trying to make the rules more friendly for everone.

[Jimjam]

Even if you strategically snipped the camp rules quote you're still a server hero!!

I believe at one point swish compiled all rules posts. I believe the post got nuked, but it may be worth contacting him to see if he kept a plaintext version of his document.

[ScaringChildren]

Everyone is guilty.

Burn the server down to ashes.

Criminalize the name "Brad".

[Imago]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you playing again?

I never stopped.

[Ravager]

So much drama and I bet all he dropped was a fishing pole.