How do I report a named kill steal?

[Zal22]

Thread now bad and unfunny. Thanks for ruining it.

[Triiz]

Found the Lucan post from March 2018

Originally Posted by Menden

For Lucan, you must show you are actively killing Lucan's guards to claim the camp, that's pretty simple. Hell, he has a much shorter spawn time so there's plenty of lucans to go around. It's been this way for a long long time.

Maybe a lot of people knew that for a "long long time", but it sure wasn't common knowledge among anyone I knew that camped Lucan. Also never saw anyone clearing the room the few times I wasn't afk waiting on a timer prior to that post.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Originally Posted by TheSurgeon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No.

We are going to shut this hillbilly thinking the fuck down right here and now. You, and those like you, have such a gross misunderstanding of the letter of the law, and language in general, that it is almost worthy of a scholarly study. I see I need to lay it out brick by fucking brick to end this shinning example of avarice.

In general means that there are exceptions to the rule, and any good faith argument would firmly position Hadden as both a camp and one that does not follow normal doctrine. There is no PH, Place Holder, for a static mob on a set respawn. Hadden with a fishing pole is not the place holder for Hadden with a fishbone earring, just like the Frenzied Ghoul without an FBSS isn't the PH for a Frenzied Ghoul with one. That line of thinking is insane, disingenuous, and can only be brought into existence by a greedy goblin.

Hadden is a camp. A camp that can be claimed by means of presence. No you don't have to kill a random green NPC for it to be considered a camp. We all know good and god damn well that is referring, in general, to traditional camps. Hadden is not traditional, but again, the mob is most certainly a camp.

The camp was claimed and stolen, using nefarious hand waving shit logic from loathsome real world paupers who want to twist words like cheap con men to gain the goods. To an honest person, a sensible person, a mother fucking sane person, or just an intelligent person who isn't a fucking loser hinging their life's worth on pixels, FTE was established for areas with roaming mobs with multiple groups to maintain a line of decency, and to keep raiding guild shenanigans in check. It is not the end all be all faggot fuckwit trump card to snag a named mob. It most fucking certainly doesn't apply to camps where a physical presence is maintained (in traditional camps that presence being the active engagement of mobs, and the quirky non-traditional camps the mere virtue of being there in game prepared to engage within a reasonable amount of time). A reasonable amount of time isn't up at 3 seconds, 20 seconds even 90 seconds. I'll concede that much further past 120 seconds and the waters become murky and you can only keep a six fingered, one eyed, inbred from treasure for so long.

What this server lacks is an appreciable amount of decency. You shouldn't wait, bait, pray, and attempt to snag a mob by ignoring all tells and hoping the person LDs, falls asleep, or had a soggy sock get too full. There shouldn't be mind games required to keep a spawn from people tracking your every move to take it away from you the moment you don't engage a mob within seconds. But that's where we are at. However, the foot comes crashing down, and the dick gets pulled out and pummeled against the forehead of any asinine mother fucker who wants to try and use convenient illiteracy to sway a mind and con a mob from another user.

To say Hadden can't be claimed without killing an unrelated NPC, and that an individual can't claim the camp without having killed Hadden the previous time, makes the one who pronounced the idea a fucking illiterate idiot, or a dishonest skallywag. Both can and should be ignored.

The OP could have been an asshole and said some mean things, but Drest is most certainly a backpedaling, crack smoking, kill stealing fuck.

No misinterpretation of language is going to earn you or anyone like you a win in elf court today chump.

I agree, possibly with fewer harsh sentiments to the core of this post. However I can completely understand how it was warranted. Its been pretty annoying reading some of the retorts in this thread that have been purely masturbatory and pompous.

[TheSurgeon]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you are the one misunderstanding here. Lucan has no “PH” he is just lucan but the ruling for him is you dont own the camp unless you kill the surrounding npcs (not placeholders - have nothing to do with the spawn itself) in order to claim the camp. Just sitting in the room does not give you claim to the camp. Hadden is the same way.. the mobs next to him are not PHs but if you want to claim him you have to be killing them (or you have to be the one that killed him last spawn and havent logged out)

I can admit wrong on that point, and see the reasoning behind such a ruling (buried somewhere, whispered in the halls of Parliament, but far outside of the scripture of the Norrath Constitution). Already I've forgotten the most important rule of governing; considering how would an asshole bend this to his will. Park a character and fall asleep until the timer went off and rush back with burger grease in his fat sparse beard. Killing the surrounding mobs is the only way to keep a no lifer in his chair and ready. I, however, maintain the general tone and language of the initial post towards people who look to con their way around the rules. A rational person only need to engage in conversation to establish presence at keyboard, not the senseless monotony of killing a random spawn for five hours.

P99 needs an Alexander Hamilton.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Zal22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thread now bad and unfunny. Thanks for ruining it.

If you wanted the thread to be funny you should have tried harder to make it funny?

I gave it plenty of time to run its course / be sent to RNF in that regard.

As it didn't get sent that way, and the lolz had fizzled out, it seemed a good opportunity to discuss possible ambiguity in the rules and disconnect between players and enforcement.

You're welcome to unruin the thread if you like, or alternatively find a new storm in a tea cup to fawn over.

I hope this post was masturbatory and pompous enough for you Iwap.

[Zuranthium]

Jimjam + aaezil are correct. Except I don't think that rule is bad, it makes perfect sense. Think of how easily the boxers would be able to claim camps otherwise.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By your logic, the only camps that are your's are the ones in which you've killed the previous PH. That translates into no camps, ever, because you can never kill the first mob of a camp (PH or not) to start the cycle because you can never have killed the mob before it.

LOL, *this* is a lack of logic.

If you go somewhere that is uncamped and kill the mob(s), then the camp is yours. You have in fact now killed the PH - the mob(s) you just killed are the PH for the next.

By contrast, if you show up somewhere that is uncamped but you just AFK (or if it's a solo spawn with no nearby mobs with which to establish a camp), the camp is not yours. That would be a First-to-Engage situation.

Also think about raids for example. It doesn't matter which guild sits in front of a dragon first, it's whoever engages first.

[Jimjam]

Personally, I think to communicate we are camping mobs we should have to

1) drop a beer bottle on the floor
2) hold a fishing rod; what is a camp without a bit of fishing?
3) also hold a torch, for what is a camp without a campfire?

Tbh Hadden is the camper we should all aspire to be.

[Triiz]

Once DS becomes a quest bottleneck I hope neckbeards are forced to clear the room every 20 mins for 24 hours straight or risk losing the camp.

[Zal22]

Originally Posted by Iksar_with_a_plan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, possibly with fewer harsh sentiments to the core of this post. However I can completely understand how it was warranted. Its been pretty annoying reading some of the retorts in this thread that have been purely masturbatory and pompous.

+1 IWAP and TheSurgeon

[Wonkie]

not nice to troll jimjam