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Old 05-05-2011, 01:27 PM
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Just realized that was completely pointless, my bad.

Go ahead and continue on with the intellectual ridicule.
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:49 PM
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He skipped my post and went for the soft target, abacab.

I don't even know why you're bringing up the legal system. This argument is objective vs subjective reality.
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Old 05-05-2011, 02:32 PM
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He skipped my post and went for the soft target, abacab.

I don't even know why you're bringing up the legal system. This argument is objective vs subjective reality.
He posted first -- you've got to wait your turn.

And no, my opinion isn't based on disbelief over the concept of the media or the government lying to me. The government lies all the time. My opinion is based on a historical understanding of fact reporting and conspiracy theories. For a conspiracy theory to be effective, there have to be a very limited number of perpetrators. The more people "in on it", the more unlikely the conspiracy -- and the more likely it is for the conspiracy to be uncovered.

Outside of every major news network and every major political figure -- both Democrat and Republican -- here's a list of organizations and people that have argued against conspiracy theories behind the 9/11 attacks: the US National Institute of Standards and Technology, Popular Mechanics magazine, the 9/11 Commission Report, Noam Chomsky, MIT Engineering Professor Thomas Eagar, Bill Moyers, and most of the Civil Engineering department at BYU. That's what I uncovered in, oh, 5 minutes. I'm sure there are hundreds and hundreds more.

For there to be a conspiracy theory, all of these people would have to be in on it. There is not one legitimate, mainstream organization that a) is in a position to know, and b) has come out and supported the legitimacy of 9/11 conspiracy theories. You cannot get thousands of people in on a conspiracy theory as horrific as mass murder without it leaking out over the course of a decade. It is not logical.
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Old 05-05-2011, 03:03 PM
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About 6 or 8 months ago, I saw an interview where a top CIA official was asked directly when the last credible evidence was found concerning Bin Laden's whereabouts. He said flat out, its been almost 2 years since they had a location or any real leads. He said the trail just went cold.

Here's my speculation (take it for that):

I personally feel that he was killed a few of years ago, but in order to purpetrate continuing wars in the middle east, they didn't say a thing. Remember, George W was in office. Since then, we have increased our forces in Afganistan.

Now, as a campaign promise, Obama said he would start pulling troops out of the middle east. He let the lie go on just long enough to get the troop buildups where he wanted them. Now he wants to start slowly pulling them out over the next few years. What better way to start this off than to show the world that we are winning the war on terror. What's a better symbol of that than killing Osama?

Besides the fact that he can use this during the upcoming campaign. I don't understand why people say Obama or George W is responsible for finding and killing him. I wonder if people actually realize how government works...the joint cheifs come in and say, "hey, we think we found osama bin laden, this is the plan we recommend." or "hey we need these resources, actions to find osama, do you approve or disapprove?"

Its the people on the ground, and those going up the military ranks that make the real difference.
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:10 PM
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I personally feel that he was killed a few of years ago, but in order to purpetrate continuing wars in the middle east, they didn't say a thing.

He let the lie go on just long enough to get the troop buildups where he wanted them.
No, not even close. It's common sense that they want a muslim boogey man hiding in the closet so they can constantly hype national security threats and start more wars. The ONLY reason they would admit he was dead is to stage a new fake terror attack and blame it's occurrence on retaliation for killing Bin Laden. It will probably be a mushroom cloud or biological attack in a big city like Chicago.

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Haha Jesus man -- are you seriously that anti-Semitic? You really think they've got a massive conspiracy for global domination running?
Wow, who would have seen that coming? The good old crying "anti-semite" tantrum. Sorry but that doesn't work anymore. Everyone knows Israel are a bunch murderers and rank #2 most hated country on earth in every poll right behind North Korea.

I noticed you tried to pretend like Israel's long history of staging false flag terror attacks against the US doesn't exist. It's the exact same thing every time they do it, blow up some Americans or Brits with bombs then try to blame it on Arabs in order to get us to fight their wars for them. Keep pretending like the following events never happened:

“[The Israeli Mossad is] ruthless and cunning, with the capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian-Arab act.” -Report issued by the U.S. Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS); September 2001

Lavon Affair - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.

King David Hotel bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

July 22, 1946 Jewish terrorists blew up a hotel, and killed 91 British soldiers, and blamed the atrocity on Arabs. When later caught, they said the British had a list of their Arab spies and were going to turn them over to the Palestinians. The goal of the False Flag was to pit the British against the Palestinians.

USS Liberty incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Six Israeli fighters, three torpedo boats and two assault helicopters attacked the USS Liberty. There were 24 dead and 177 maimed. F-4 phantoms were enroute when President Johnson stopped the rescue. Israel’s plan was to blame Egypt, and have the US retaliate against Egypt.

Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute the official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,[6] and it remains "the only maritime incident in U.S. history where [U.S.] military forces were killed that was never investigated by the [U.S.] Congress."[7]

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In the case of Wehrmacht, it goes like this: The Jews were responsible for 9/11.
Actually it goes like this. Israel has a long precedent of staging terror attacks, killing US citizens, and trying to blame it on Arabs in an attempt to try and get us to fight their wars. Keep pretending like the above incidents don't exist.
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:37 PM
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No, not even close. It's common sense that they want a muslim boogey man hiding in the closet so they can constantly hype national security threats and start more wars. The ONLY reason they would admit he was dead is to stage a new fake terror attack and blame it's occurrence on retaliation for killing Bin Laden. It will probably be a mushroom cloud or biological attack in a big city like Chicago.



Wow, who would have seen that coming? The good old crying "anti-semite" tantrum. Sorry but that doesn't work anymore. Everyone knows Israel are a bunch murderers and rank #2 most hated country on earth in every poll right behind North Korea.

I noticed you tried to pretend like Israel's long history of staging false flag terror attacks against the US doesn't exist. It's the exact same thing every time they do it, blow up some Americans or Brits with bombs then try to blame it on Arabs in order to get us to fight their wars for them. Keep pretending like the following events never happened:

“[The Israeli Mossad is] ruthless and cunning, with the capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian-Arab act.” -Report issued by the U.S. Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS); September 2001

Lavon Affair - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.

King David Hotel bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

July 22, 1946 Jewish terrorists blew up a hotel, and killed 91 British soldiers, and blamed the atrocity on Arabs. When later caught, they said the British had a list of their Arab spies and were going to turn them over to the Palestinians. The goal of the False Flag was to pit the British against the Palestinians.

USS Liberty incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Six Israeli fighters, three torpedo boats and two assault helicopters attacked the USS Liberty. There were 24 dead and 177 maimed. F-4 phantoms were enroute when President Johnson stopped the rescue. Israel’s plan was to blame Egypt, and have the US retaliate against Egypt.

Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute the official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,[6] and it remains "the only maritime incident in U.S. history where [U.S.] military forces were killed that was never investigated by the [U.S.] Congress."[7]



Actually it goes like this. Israel has a long precedent of staging terror attacks, killing US citizens, and trying to blame it on Arabs in an attempt to try and get us to fight their wars. Keep pretending like the above incidents don't exist.
Lulz dude. You're a racist and an anti-semite. Your "long precedent" consists of 3 events, all of which are interpreted by you (or wherever you copy-pasted this from). One occurred before the state of Israel even existed. One was officially ruled an accident, with NSA recordings showing that Israeli pilots believed they hit an Egyptian vessel. As you stated, it involved three torpedo boats and two helicopters. It was not subtle. It was a completely transparent operation. There was not and could not be any question over who committed the attack. The lone legitimate and documented example of your "precedent" occurred 55 years ago, failed, and resulted in the forced resignation of their Minister of Defense. It was an extraordinary event, not a precedent. In 1763, the British intentionally provided Native Americans with small pox infested blankets. The US does not monitor all bedding imported from the UK for virus strains.

The irony is that you're arguing all these points for a team that doesn't support you. I'm caucasian. I do not have a single relative that could be described as anything other than a white American or white European. It's not white vs. black vs. Jew vs. Mexican. It's you vs everyone. And you've lost. A black man is the most powerful man in the world. Israel is a nuclear power with better defense capabilities and offensive weaponry than anyone outside of the US, UK, and Russia. You can't text message without using technology created in Israel, turn on the TV without seeing a black or Jewish actor, or drive a car without abiding by laws set forth by Jewish, black, and hispanic politicians. You're a slave to the minorities you pit yourself against. And that's what's so great about this country. A hateful hillbilly stuck idealizing a Nazi regime that got its ass handed to it is forced to live as an ant under the heel of everyone and everything he hates.

Sorry, breh. You lose.
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Old 05-05-2011, 02:57 PM
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here's a list of organizations and people that have argued against conspiracy theories behind the 9/11 attacks: the US National Institute of Standards
Perhaps you missed my earlier post. Just about every single person you cited as so called "evidence" is an arab hating, neocon Zionist who would love nothing more than for the US to invade every muslim country on earth for them. These are all war mongering propagandists and you claim they're actually credible.

- Stephen Cauffman, Jewish Neocon Zionist - point-man on the NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) cover-up of the WTC 7 controlled demolition. NIST continues to maintain that fire alone brought down WTC 7.

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Popular Mechanics magazine
Benjamin Chertoff - Jewish Neocon Zionist, the first cousin of Michael Chertoff, wrote the 9/11 hit piece in Popular Mechanics debunking “9/11 conspiracy theories.”

Michael Chertoff - Jewish Neocon Zionist, dual citizen of US and Israel, Director of Homeland Security. Co-author of patriot act

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the 9/11 Commission Report
Philip Zelikow (Jewish US-Israeli dual citizen) - wrote blatantly false 9/11 commission report

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Noam Chomsky
After being cornered on this issue for the 1000th time, eventually Noam Chomsky said "it doesn't even matter if 9/11 was a staged event", it's on video tape, you can look it up yourself. Also, why are you naming only Jewish people like they would actually be unbiased and credible on this issue?

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MIT Engineering Professor Thomas Eagar
And guess what, here's an MIT engineer Jeff King saying the exact opposite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCLHL5iToJ8

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You cannot get thousands of people in on a conspiracy theory as horrific as mass murder without it leaking out over the course of a decade. It is not logical.
It already has leaked out. For some reason you seem to think something can only be true if every neocon Zionist on earth tells you it's a fact.
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Wehrmacht, you are completely full of shit. You found one or two jews (not even zionists) who works with a particular organizatino so you assumed that the entire organization must no longer be credible. Seriously, you think that popular mechanics has no credibility because a few people who might be biased work with them? What I find more hilarious than anything is the circular logic in your post; for example:

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- Stephen Cauffman, Jewish Neocon Zionist - point-man on the NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) cover-up of the WTC 7 controlled demolition. NIST continues to maintain that fire alone brought down WTC 7.
Let me get this straight. One of the premises of your argument is that tower 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition. There is a source which claims the opposite. So to prove that this source is not credible, you are using the fact that one of the people associated with it believes that tower 7 was not brought down by a controlled demolition.
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Old 05-05-2011, 04:21 PM
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Wehrmacht, you are completely full of shit. You found one or two jews (not even zionists) who works with a particular organizatino so you assumed that the entire organization must no longer be credible. Seriously, you think that popular mechanics has no credibility because a few people who might be biased work with them?
That's the crux of every conspiracy theory. In the words of an MIT Engineering Professor, it's the reverse scientific method. You start with a conclusion, and work your way back -- picking out what facts fit your argument and ignoring all others. In the case of Wehrmacht, it goes like this: The Jews were responsible for 9/11.

All of government: Pro-Zionist
9/11 Commission Report: Jews involved
Popular Mechanics: Jews involved
NIST: Jews involved

You can do it with anything. I blame it on marijuana. This was the only way for the neocon marijuan-ists to divert attention from the drug war.

George W. Bush: acknowledged using marijuana
Barack Obama: acknowledged using marijuana
Osama bin Laden: high strength marijuana plants found yards from his home (seriously)
Media: liberal, pro-legalization hippies
9/11 Commission: multiple members have admitted to using marijuana
NIST: multiple members have admitted to using marijuana
Popular Mechanics: multiple members have admitted to using marijuana

See? It's the fucking wacky weed. It's reefer madness, bro.
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