Project 1999 Atlas(beta)

[loramin]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The wiki is 50-99% innacurate, depending on the specific page in question. Many of the raid pages in particular are made innacurate (plane of fear) on purpose to try to trip up other guilds.

Making a better looking wiki with the same wrong information isnt really all that useful, tbh.

As someone who has spent a great deal of time working with the wiki, I strongly disagree with this characterization. Not about the raid stuff (honestly the only raid zone page I read is the one for Plane of Sky, and it's pretty accurate), but in general far, far more than 1%-50% of the wiki content is accurate. If I had to hazard a number, I'd guess somewhere between 95%-99% of non-controversial pages are accurate (where "controversial pages" like plane of fear account for less than 1% of the total wiki content).

One caveat: that excludes faction numbers, but not which factions a mob is on. I don't know who imported those numbers or from where, but it was clearly a mass script that took data from an inaccurate source.

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have changed it - people put it back to being wrong every time. Mr. Smart Guy.

Again, I think there's a huge difference between pages where no one has a stake except wanting the page to be accurate (99% of the wiki), and pages where "bad actors" deliberately want to inject false information.

To solve the latter case I think we need to identify the problematic pages, make an effort to correct them, and then flag them so that only wiki administrators can make changes afterwards. While I certainly don't know everything about Plane of Fear, I am a wiki admin, and would be happy to work with anyone who does have good information to clean up these problematic pages.

Originally Posted by killaessedai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t intend to website to be better than the wiki. I am focusing on the user experience and artistic side of the information. I picture the final website as a compendium of project 1999 knowledge represented in a visually appealing manner, similar to a collectors’ edition encyclopedia of Zelda. However, I intend to have far more useful information, links to named, items, and quests on the zone page etc..

Much of the information above the map will be replaced by links to named npcs, monsters, tradeskill guides, links to items that display a tool tip with item information etc.. In the future, it will be far more useful located above the map.

I think this is a very laudable goal: don't repeat existing effort, leverage that effort to make something newer and cooler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For what it's worth I'm both a programmer (and currently the instructor of a class on web development) and a frequent wiki editor. I've even written some scripts to do mass wiki edits (eg. all of the fashion categories). Shoot me a PM if you need help with anything.

[aaezil]

Sorry but tons of info on there is incorrect.

[loramin]

I'm not trying to make value judgements on anyone's participation, or lack thereof, on the wiki. But what I can say is that people like myself want to make it more accurate, but we don't have encyclopedic knowledge of EQ. As a result, we need people who know both that the content is inaccurate, and what the accurate content would be, to work with us to get the pages fixed.

Again, I'm not shaming you for not fixing the wiki, I'm just stating a fact that people who want to fix it can't unless people like you work with us.

[aaezil]

I would honestly prefer no wiki at all. When i played eq there was incorrect eq manual and incorrect paper strategy guide and everything else you learned in game

[loramin]

Fair enough, but you can't have it both ways and want an accurate wiki and no wiki at the same time.

[aaezil]

If there must be a wiki (and a website that copy pastes it) yes i would prefer it to be accurate, even if just for posterity

[loramin]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there must be a wiki (and a website that copy pastes it) yes i would prefer it to be accurate, even if just for posterity

Cool beans. Next time you see something inaccurate in the wiki, if you could take a sec to PM me with what's inaccurate and (as much as possible) why it's inaccurate/what the accurate information should be, we can help make that happen.

Of course, if you actually made the edits yourself, and then alerted me if someone undid them, that'd be even easier for me and I'd like you better, but either way works [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[killaessedai]

I could create a form to submit feedback, to report inaccuracies, or to submit guides. Also, any of the above can be emailed to drakan@project1999atlas.com . I have a 59 cleric and have raided a bit in project 1999 but I don’t play often anymore. I do however have a decent understanding of norrath and can probably find ways to verify any information reported.

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there must be a wiki (and a website that copy pastes it) yes i would prefer it to be accurate, even if just for posterity

[killaessedai]

Thanks for the offer. I am currently a cs student but I am new to web development. However, I had a few courses on full stack mean web development over the summer so I’ve been practicing and learning the different technologies that are used for database and web hosting etc..

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think this is a very laudable goal: don't repeat existing effort, leverage that effort to make something newer and cooler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For what it's worth I'm both a programmer (and currently the instructor of a class on web development) and a frequent wiki editor. I've even written some scripts to do mass wiki edits (eg. all of the fashion categories). Shoot me a PM if you need help with anything.

[Bardp1999]

super cool feature is if you had an icon of named spawns on each map and you could hover over them to see the name and click to see a full loot table. The maps are great but if you could integrate more item and drop information you could make it better than the wiki (already does looks wise)