Trump Keeps Winning

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Swish2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fake news everywhere. The UK is as bad. Not everyone has to like Tommy Robinson to understand that the media hates him, tells lies and latches onto a planted piece of evidence and makes a story out of it.

Recent example, he takes his registration off his car and puts one with a personalised one that would cost maybe 200k-500k GBP...then posted a photo on the internet to see what would happen. The media took the bait and went on a rampage to say "look at what his 'supporters' are paying for!!!!"

Add in what's going on with Brexit etc...it's no wonder nobody watches the news anymore, it's 90% bullshit.

At least on imgur/reddit/other places you can see cat gifs and nice news.

Tommy Robinson has to be one of the most slandered people in media too.

Is he a rowdy dude? Sure, but that's what a man is.

I just don't see any evidence for any other insult that is hurled at him.

The UK desperately needs more people like Tommy. They should be kissing his damn feet.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Kaight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A million one-off mistakes and social media shares = FAKE NEWS. This is a perfect example of that phenomenon when it is legitimate. You read a fictional piece, took it as fact, did not bother to research, shared it to a group of people, some of which probably also read it as fact (*cough* Mick,) and thus starting the domino effect. Maybe you do your fact-checking 99% of the time, but the 1% matters too with bullshit like this.

This is something I feel VERY strongly about, even when it comes to headlines or articles favoring democrats i.e. a meme got passed around amongst people I respect and agree with most of the time that showed a quote from Donald Trump saying if he ever ran for president he'd go republican because they are the dumbest voters and believe anything on Fox News. While this lent proof to the fact that Trump is a liar unfit for the presidency, willing to do anything to gain power, I was skeptical. Sure enough, it was fake. He never said that. I commented that to my friends that posted it. SPREAD TRUTH, DUDES

I like your passion. If I ever leave my wife, you could get it

[Kaight]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like your passion. If I ever leave my wife, you could get it

you'd still have to watch the Bachelor

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Kaight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A million one-off mistakes and social media shares = FAKE NEWS. This is a perfect example of that phenomenon when it is legitimate. You read a fictional piece, took it as fact, did not bother to research, shared it to a group of people, some of which probably also read it as fact (*cough* Mick,) and thus starting the domino effect. Maybe you do your fact-checking 99% of the time, but the 1% matters too with bullshit like this.

What a load of pretentious garbage! In reality any information retrieval system has both false positives and false negatives; the only way to completely avoid false positives is to not return any results. There is a reason confirmation bias exists: no one has time to process every piece of information in exquisite detail. The key is to update your perspective when incorrect. Moreover, not every piece of information is equally important. There is an entire literature on generating persuasive statements, and computers are almost certainly being used to do so. Being wrong in this particular case barely changes my overall world view.

TLDR: I'm quite satisfied with being right 99% of the time and being wrong about unimportant things 1% of the time. I am not going to diligently fact check every post I make to off topic. You are welcome to follow me around pointing out any mistakes.

P.S. You are completely wrong about fake news: the problem is not social media sharing dubious information, but the systematic bias of our major networks. In other words, it's not actually incorrect information per se, but the ratio of that information. For example, Australia had record cold temperatures last summer, but you didn't read about that in the NYT because they only share evidence that favors the global warming narrative.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a load of pretentious garbage! In reality any information retrieval system has both false positives and false negatives; the only way to completely avoid false positives is to not return any results. There is a reason confirmation bias exists: no one has time to process every piece of information in exquisite detail. The key is to update your perspective when incorrect. Moreover, not every piece of information is equally important. There is an entire literature on generating persuasive statements, and computers are almost certainly being used to do so. Being wrong in this particular case barely changes my overall world view.

TLDR: I'm quite satisfied with being right 99% of the time and being wrong about unimportant things 1% of the time. I am not going to diligently fact check every post I make to off topic. You are welcome to follow me around pointing out any mistakes.

P.S. You are completely wrong about fake news: the problem is not social media sharing dubious information, but the systematic bias of our major networks. In other words, it's not actually incorrect information per se, but the ratio of that information. For example, Australia had record cold temperatures last summer, but you didn't read about that in the NYT because they only share evidence that favors the global warming narrative.

Localized weather isn't the global climate, weakling.

[d-tron]

Also, if by record cold temperatures, you mean 2nd warmest:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/curren....summary.shtml

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. You are completely wrong about fake news: the problem is not social media sharing dubious information, but the systematic bias of our major networks. In other words, it's not actually incorrect information per se, but the ratio of that information. For example, Australia had record cold temperatures last summer, but you didn't read about that in the NYT because they only share evidence that favors the global warming narrative.

Both are problems.

The media has to compete with the internet, which can plagiarize, produce, and share at a lightning pace. This means "fact finding" journalism no longer needs skilled writers, journalists, fixers, etc.

Just hire a college intern with an ear to social media and you have yourself a 'news site'.

So the old guard has to play catch up and they end up selling out integrity and truth so they can pay the bills. What you end up with is borderline gossip yellow journalism with click bait articles and all.

Fact checking is too time consuming, so they've been outsourced to other organizations like Snopes (which I'm SURE is unbiased...)

Also, social media sharing misinformation is also a big problem.

It's usually attributed to the right wing but it's just as bad on the left.

I believe there was a study that found the largest shared links on Facebook among leftists came from "Occupy Democrats", which has a HORRIBLE reputation for being flat out false. They have a terrible rating from News Guard for example.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by d-tron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, if by record cold temperatures, you mean 2nd warmest:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/curren....summary.shtml

Our summer.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/20...dney-melbourne

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-...ts-nsw/9995858

A cold snap has delivered some of the chilliest temperatures in decades to parts of Australia’s east coast, with more frosty mornings to come. Both Parkes and Cowra in New South Wales have set new all-time coldest minimum temperature records today with the mercury dropping to -6.6 and -5.8 degrees respectively. Both sites opened back in 1958.

Although it does seem that on the whole it was warmer than average. The point is that unbiased news sources would be mentioning both sides.

[Kaight]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a load of pretentious garbage! In reality any information retrieval system has both false positives and false negatives; the only way to completely avoid false positives is to not return any results. There is a reason confirmation bias exists: no one has time to process every piece of information in exquisite detail. The key is to update your perspective when incorrect. Moreover, not every piece of information is equally important. There is an entire literature on generating persuasive statements, and computers are almost certainly being used to do so. Being wrong in this particular case barely changes my overall world view.

Pretentious, lol. I'm encouraging you to find other sources, especially when coming from a fucking templated tumblr blog that doesn't source ANYTHING. You honestly are okay with that? What would you say if I presented trumpcolluded.im4everwithher.com and showed you a post about some left group that gained evidence by hacking or something? But they don't show the evidence, they just explain it. Come on, dude. I'm being pretentious by suggesting you make sure you have your facts straight, even when they don't support my side. That's literally the opposite of pretentious. LOOK IT UP.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Webster

Pretentious : characterized by pretension: such as
a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing) the pretentious fraud who assumes a love of culture that is alien to him— Richard Watts
b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature

Your hysterical bleating about how I need to fact check my off topic posts because I'm only 99% correct is the definition of pretentious. Let's apply this standard to you:

fucking templated tumblr blog that doesn't source ANYTHING

Slate Star Codex is normally a very academic blog, to the point that I unsubscribed because I got tired of reading it. For example, check out his post on preschool. Looks like you just talk a big game but don't follow through. Newsflash: no one does. It takes too much time. It's OK to be wrong occasionally, even frequently, as long as you update your world view afterwards.

Originally Posted by Kaight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would you say if I presented trumpcolluded.im4everwithher.com and showed you a post about some left group that gained evidence by hacking or something?

I would point out that you were wrong and leave at at that, rather than desperately status signaling about how I am a paragon of truth.