Request for a different policy on (game-changing) specific item camps

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Nug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd really hate to read through all these posts to see if anyone's brought this up, but...

Why not just bring your own group and park where they are sitting if they don't want to share and see who's can do better? Is THAT against the rules?

Yes, actually it is.

As long as they're capable of handling the camp on their own, don't leave the area, and don't go noticeably afk; they can, according to the rules, cycle in whoever they want and exclude the other group indefinitely.

[Tsuken]

The problem is that this server is following the everquest classic timeline, or at least tries to. The difference with the real classic experience is that nobody knew which items would be nerfed, nor when. But on this server "everybody" knows which items will be removed and around what time it will happen. This puts each of those items very high on many guild's wanted-list, even while it's still dropping.

Following the classic timeline, can't recreate the classic experience completely, because on this server people will have fore-knowledge of what will happen in the future.

There could have been added other (non-classic) solutions to give each player a chance at these rare items, without them being over-camped. For example, each of the to-be-nerfed items could have been made LORE NO DROP. Making them unable to ruin the future-economy and therefore much less attractive to get, except for personal use.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

will establish equality and equal opportunity for ALL players.

You all had equal opportunity to secure whatever camps you desired most on Kunark launch night, and to hand them off as you saw fit. Others executed their plans more quickly and efficiently than you. Now, because you missed out, you want to change it all up to benefit yourself and your style of play. What makes your style of play "more right"?

You have equal opportunity to join one of the guilds that have the manpower and drive to wait for another guild to slip up so they can take over the camp. You can waltz right in as a member of that guild, get into the camp, and be part of the loot rotation.

But that equal opportunity isn't good enough for you. You want special consideration because you are not willing to devote the time/effort that other players do. You want the same loot without devoting the same time/effort into getting it. Tell me how that is equal, since you're so interested in equality? :P

[Loly Taa]

The problem I think the QQers have is something like this...

The QQers (WoW players?) think that this is like going to the grocery store... You walk in, grab your groceries, wait in line, pay and leave. Since it's a business establishment that is just out to make money there is no special treatment given like allowing people to cut in line or to buy up all of a specific item that's on sale (limitations on amount of items that can be bought for the sale price) etc.

The reality is, it's nothing like a grocery store, mall, or other normal business. The setting is more akin to that of a park or campground. In another example;

The guilds camping these "coveted", "game changing" spawns- are much like people who show up early in the morning to grab the best spot at the beach. There is no requirement for them to have a line for other people to take the spot they've already gotten. It's expected that other people who show up at the beach late are going to piss off and find a different location to hang out in if someone is in a spot they would like to or usually normally hang out at. At the beach there is nothing preventing me from showing up as soon as the park opens and getting the most prime spot on the beach- and also nothing preventing me from passing my spot on the beach off to my friends who show up later to hang out with me. At the beach I'm under no obligation to talk to other beach goers or even acknowledge them sans respecting their personal rights. I'm at the beach to relax, perhaps hang out with friends who may show up and leave at different times of the day. I'm not required to socialize with the general public if I choose not to.

The complainers are trying to think of the server like a grocery store or book store. The problem is- there is no money being made here. It's an open resource freely available to everyone... If anything the server and it's camps are more like parks or beaches which everyone is available to use freely- but everyone has the expectation of being able to have their own private space, available on a first come, first served basis- until they decide to leave; regardless of when their friends decide to show up and leave.

I could go to a campground right now and rent out a space pretty much for the rest of the summer- even perhaps the best space at the campground. Is that unfair? No- it's life. You're not paying anything, you aren't owed anything.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You all had equal opportunity to secure whatever camps you desired most on Kunark launch night, and to hand them off as you saw fit. Others executed their plans more quickly and efficiently than you. Now, because you missed out, you want to change it all up to benefit yourself and your style of play. What makes your style of play "more right"?

You have equal opportunity to join one of the guilds that have the manpower and drive to wait for another guild to slip up so they can take over the camp. You can waltz right in as a member of that guild, get into the camp, and be part of the loot rotation.

But that equal opportunity isn't good enough for you. You want special consideration because you are not willing to devote the time/effort that other players do. You want the same loot without devoting the same time/effort into getting it. Tell me how that is equal, since you're so interested in equality? :P

We going in circles here - you advocating monopolization on a principle - who ever was first is ETERNAL KEEPER.
Being FIRST only gives you a right to be first and nothing more.
You get your loot, now move, and let me get mine. I have been siting here for 5 hours to. Its your GUILD-MATE who has been sleeping all day and JUST LOGGED IN, and already has a camp spot and place in line reserved for him, who wants special consideration.
I have served my time in line - I EARNED IT - he didn't.


To: Loly Taa (our neighborhood Lineage hardass):
go to your PUBLIC PARK, at 5am when no one there, and they try to explain all the new coming visitors, that all 500 benches in the park have already been claimed by you for your friends and family, who will arrive later.
Its a communal property. You get 1 spot, and that's it. Now MOVE!

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To: Loly Taa (our neighborhood Lineage hardass):
go to your PUBLIC PARK, at 5am when no one there, and they try to explain all the new coming visitors, that all 500 benches in the park have already been claimed by you for your friends and family, who will arrive later.
Its a communal property. You get 1 spot, and that's it. Now MOVE!

There's no 500 benches being claimed. There's one bench being claimed... call it "Necklace of Superiority" bench. Or "Circlet of Shadow" bench. They were at the bench first, they control who gets it next. If more family or friends come, they get invited to use the bench for feeding pigeons or whatnot. There is no "line for the bench under the tree next to the water fountain" or wtfever the perfect park bench is. Other people who want that bench go choose another area of the park until that bench is free.

[Loly Taa]

No Kika, you just aren't understanding how it works.

I'm not claiming 500 benches at a beach. I'm claiming a small area of the beach. Laying out my towels and setting up my cooler and chairs. It's not like any guild has claimed an "entire zone" only small parts of different zones. In this game spots are defined as groups of mobs. It's always been like this, since classic Everquest.

My spot on the beach might just happen to have a lot more clams than any other spot on the beach- and you might be hungry and want some clams. I might also be hungry too, and also want clams. That doesn't mean you can just come over, sit right next to me, and start digging for clams. This isn't about being orderly, this is about respecting other people's personal spaces. Where did they grow you?

[Pescador]

Man, now I want to go to the beach.


...After I destroy a few circlets of shadow.

[Kika Maslyaka]

The benches are not camp spots- they are the future item drops/numbers in wait line
I grow up in a place, where people don't try to claim more space that they can place their ass on.
They certainly don't claim the space for 20 hours AHEAD for 20 more people who MAY YET COME.

[Loly Taa]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The benches are not camp spots- they are the future item drops/numbers in wait line
I grow up in a place, where people don't try to claim more space that they can place their ass on.
They certainly don't claim the space for 20 hours AHEAD for 20 more people who MAY YET COME.

Place their ass on? It seems to be you think of a space in multiples. Like, every 20 minutes there is a new spot at the beach exactly like the one you wanted that I took. No- it's not like that. There's only one spot on the beach like the one I have. Me and my brahs are hanging out there drinking heavily around a bonfire, knocking out bitches that walk through our area for phat lewts. The space does not multiply itself. In fact, I can continue drinking there forever if I want (assuming the park is open 24/7) and even if I leave my friends can stay there and invite their friends to come as well. You think of mobs as spaces, they aren't! Spaces are spaces, mobs spawn in these spaces, just like food washes ashore from the ocean. I choose a space to inhabit and in the real world people generally respect that space unless they are drunk too. Maybe I just like my spot? Maybe I just want to hang out and not leave it? Who are you to say when I am done spending time somewhere I was already at? or to decide when my friends have to leave the space I initially claimed? People in this thread talk of logic but that has nothing to do with this. It's all about common courtesy- which some of you here have warped with your World of Warcraft like ways to believe that you're owed something just because you exist. I'm sorry, your parents raised you wrong. People that want things work for them. Sometimes it's hard, if you can't deal with that I can probably sell you a nice bridge somewhere near Kerra Isle.